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re: New Orleans is sole owner of Wisner Trust land and revenues, state appellate court rules

Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
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Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:55 pm to
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Am I understanding this correctly, the court totally ignored what the man intended for his money (trust), and instead gave it all to New Orleans?


The trust had an end date, assets remaining at trust termination go to the remaindermen which was the city,

My guess is the good gentleman thought after 100 years, his descendants could fend for themselves.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:58 pm to
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Especially with a sunset wording of 100 years. That seems to be an intentional choice of limited timeframe towards the trust itself.


Was there a law against perpetuities in 1914?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:58 pm to
Of the individuals who were beneficiaries of the trust, only a handful were actually descendants of Wisner. Many/most are descendants of the attorneys that Wisner’s shithead wife and kids hired to break up the trust and subvert Wisner’s last will and testament.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20196 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 2:04 pm to
The 100 ( maximum possibly as you say) sunset ends regardless and the ownership of land has to be determined obviously. My curiosity as I said was how the initial trust was built, if it cleanly stated after the sunset it becomes owned by NO, LSU and Tulane then that’s it really but if it doesn’t imply that then it would seem the heirs have standing as they were(?) part of the payouts for that period. Sunsets are placed for a reason, I could understand family members trying to argue over
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/22/26 at 2:09 pm to
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My curiosity as I said was how the initial trust was built, if it cleanly stated after the sunset it becomes owned by NO, LSU and Tulane


As has been stated like 8 times, the original 1914 trust explicitly states that all assets held in trust are owned by the city and the city keeps the assets after the trust expires.

LSU and Tulane (and any other beneficiary) has no ownership claim to the trust assets. The city has owned those assets since wisner died.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20196 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 2:15 pm to
No way is the below statement from the original trust as it talks in past tense, “ Wisner required “ or “ the City held the trust” for example, not future description of use. It most definitely is a draft from decision or lawyers for NO

In establishing this trust, Wisner required the City of New Orleans to use funds generated from its use of the land “for the beautification of New Orleans and for the education, health and recreation of the city residents.” As the trust's principal beneficiary, the City held the trust corpus and would receive the bulk of the trust's revenue. Wisner named three income beneficiaries: Tulane University, Charity Hospital, and the Salvation Army. Wisner named the Mayor of New Orleans as trustee. Notably, at the end of the trust's one-hundred-year term, Wisner expressly granted all of the trust's immovable property to the City of New Orleans.

As I mentioned only the original wording of the original trust means anything, everything is is but one sides opinion or final decision, which sometimes has been known to be incorrect
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 5/22/26 at 2:48 pm to
And as I said that particular piece you showed was not original material but rather decision or argument 100 years later. Quote the original piece if you have access
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20196 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 2:52 pm to
Have no clue but a sunset in a trust is not arbitrary in interpretation
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41386 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 4:26 pm to
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Have no clue but a sunset in a trust is not arbitrary in interpretation


Correct. If the language is as reported, it’s pretty clear
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20196 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 5:14 pm to
Saw 2 versions of interpretations, both look to be opinions of 100 years later. Those being that NO, Tulane, LSU & heirs were being paid throughout and the other being NO,LSU & Tulane the bequeathed owners after the 100 years. Those are not the original trust wordings as heirs were apparently getting paid during yet show no inclusion of after the sunset. Again I haven’t seen the original wordings of so obviously just speculation
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
6060 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 6:59 pm to
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So does this mean that Charity Hospital will continue to sit vacant instead of being redeveloped or demolished?


LSU cant be bothered to deal with its blighted property. It has fired football coaches it has to pay.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13213 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 7:15 pm to
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LSU cant be bothered to deal with its blighted property. It has fired football coaches it has to pay.





If we are going to be sassy, we can also add LSU also needs to rehire once fired coaches as head coaches and special assistant coaches for 100 grand a month.

I love me some Coach Eaux, blighted property be damned.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 7:16 pm
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25829 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 7:41 pm to
NOLA does not deserve shite.....
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
4386 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 8:00 pm to
It’s 100 grand a year
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
4386 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 8:01 pm to
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Again I haven’t seen the original wordings of so obviously just speculation


Yes I’m with you. I’d love to see the original
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13213 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 8:43 pm to
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It’s 100 grand a year


You sure about that unless WBRZ wrote the story wrong.

quote:

Orgeron signed a deal Wednesday that ends January 31, 2027, with a base salary of $100,000 paid monthly, according to a term sheet obtained by WBRZ. He will also receive a courtesy vehicle or vehicle allowance.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13213 posts
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:59 pm to
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Might be a good investment with the city in dire financial straits and Port Fourchon acquiring full rights to the land.


Fun little fact, I just checked the Assessor’s page in Lafourche Parish, they list the Wisner properties as the City of New Orleans as owners now. Not sure if this was done recently or if it has been that way for awhile now.

Now as a taxpayer in Lafourche Parish, I noticed that since it is government owned land now, the Assessor’s office shows that Lafourche Parish collects ZERO dollars in property taxes.

I wonder if the Wisner property paid Lafourche Parish Property taxes when it was held by the Trust.

So not only is Lafourche Parish through Port Fourchon paying to lease some of the property for port use to the city, the city is screwing Lafourche Parish by paying ZERO in property taxes to Lafourche parish as a whole because the city owns the land.

The legislature ought to fix that tax loophole.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 10:04 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16732 posts
Posted on 5/23/26 at 12:27 pm to
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Notably, at the end of the trust's one-hundred-year term, Wisner expressly granted all of the trust's immovable property to the City of New Orleans.


This is my understanding too.

What’s puzzling is what Latoya did 6 years after the trust ended in 2014.
She had the trust extended to pay revenue to all of the prior benefactors when the revenue should have been going only to nola.

Seems dumb
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62497 posts
Posted on 5/23/26 at 12:43 pm to
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What’s puzzling is what Latoya did 6 years after the trust ended in 2014. She had the trust extended to pay revenue to all of the prior benefactors when the revenue should have been going only to nola.


Right. She was obviously personally benefiting from that arrangement somehow.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20196 posts
Posted on 5/23/26 at 1:11 pm to
“Notably, at the end of the trust's one-hundred-year term, Wisner expressly granted all of the trust's immovable property to the City of New Orleans”

This is either an opinion or decision, but I would like to see the original wording for them to come to that conclusion. The simple fact of the sunset clause of 100 years either purposely or statutory would have exact wording of ownership. If it declared public entities only then heirs are out. If it didn’t specify public entities specifically then heirs have a vested stake and of course if it addresses heirs then entities are out. That Tulane rejected their 12% and LSU hasn’t been mentioned suggests to me that something odd happened as Tulane is not going to deny receiving funds but they also aren’t going to spend good money chasing questionable money either. They could have said nothing and let it play out.
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