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re: New movie "Woman King" is the ultimate historical fanfiction
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:05 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:05 am to burger bearcat
does she capture her neighboring tribe and sell them to the Dutch as slaves?
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:15 am to burger bearcat
We're into Soviet style fictional alternate history now.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:16 am to LordSaintly
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I agree with you, but at least it’s not Bridgerton or The Great, shows where black, brown and Asian people are active participants in 17th-18th European society.
Wait...are saying that the main consult for a Euro royal couldn't be an African "Spaniard"??
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:17 am to burger bearcat
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The Kingdom of Dahomey was an important regional power that had an organized domestic economy built on conquest and slave labor
The growth of Dahomey coincided with the growth of the Atlantic slave trade, and it became known to Europeans as a major supplier of slaves.[2] As a highly militaristic kingdom constantly organised for warfare, it captured children, women, and men during wars and raids against neighboring societies, and sold them into the Atlantic slave trade in exchange for European goods such as rifles, gunpowder, fabrics, cowrie shells, tobacco, pipes, and alcohol.
Bet that wont make the movie
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In the 1840s, Dahomey began to face decline with British pressure to abolish the slave trade, which included the British Royal Navy imposing a naval blockade against the kingdom and enforcing anti-slavery patrols near its coast.
Movie will so the opposite as a small tribe takes on British Empire to stop slavery.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:19 am
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:22 am to burger bearcat
Kangz and qwanz?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:12 am to bluestem75
quote:No, according to the synopsis, it seems to be an important plot point.
I’m guessing they’re going to leave out Dahomey’s influence in the slave trade all together.
quote:Again, this seems to be a plot point in the film. According to what I’ve read, the Viola Davis character is attempting to convince the king to disassociate from the Oyo Empire and from the slave trade.
A movie about the female army rising up against corrupt rulership intent on enslaving captives for sale to foreigners would have been a much better movie.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:19 am to burger bearcat
It is also the Dahomey slave trade that the remnants of the victim tribes knew contemporaneously as the evil they were
Slaughter of black people is what black Dahomey was about; selling slaves was their main trade only because they became overrun with black victims
an evil culture
Slaughter of black people is what black Dahomey was about; selling slaves was their main trade only because they became overrun with black victims
an evil culture
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:21 am to burger bearcat
Meanwhile, in real Africa....
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:22 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:Dahomey was militaristic and expansionist. It expanded by conquering neighboring peoples and selling some of them into slavery.
an evil culture
In other words, it behaved much like every other empire in world history.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:26 am to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
You really are a piece of shite
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:28 am to Knartfocker
quote:Facts seem to annoy you. Odd.
Knartfocker
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:31 am to AggieHank86
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Again, this seems to be a plot point in the film. According to what I’ve read, the Viola Davis character is attempting to convince the king to disassociate from the Oyo Empire and from the slave trade.
People who were actually involved in the film, like the producer, "seem" to think the plot is a wee bit different than what you describe.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:39 am to AggieHank86
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quote:A movie about the female army rising up against corrupt rulership intent on enslaving captives for sale to foreigners would have been a much better movie.
Again, this seems to be a plot point in the film. According to what I’ve read, the Viola Davis character is attempting to convince the king to disassociate from the Oyo Empire and from the slave trade.
But to go to the point of the thread...is it known historical truth she was trying to do that or made up for the historical "black washing"?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:39 am to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
Ok, so Ebert rubs one out over the movie and says nothing that supports your take. I linked an article earlier that had comments from the producer, but what does she know?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:43 am to Flats
quote:whatever you say
Ebert … says nothing that supports your take
quote:Maybe we should just watch the film in a few days, instead of engaging in the Wakanda syndrome which is so prevalent on this forum.
Being part of the Agojie promises freedom to all involved, but not to those they conquer. The defeated are offered as tribute to the draconian Oyo Empire, who then deal their fellow Africans as slaves to Europeans in exchange for guns. It’s a circle of oppression that the guilt-ridden Nanisca (Davis) wants the King to break.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:47 am to burger bearcat
wrong thread
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:49 am to KAGTASTIC
quote:It sounds like the film does a decent job of acknowledging the involvement of both the Oyo and Dahomey in the slave trade, which 90% of posters seem certain will instead be ignored or glossed-over.
But to go to the point of the thread...is it known historical truth she was trying to do that or made up for the historical "black washing"?
Did the commander of the Amazons (a fraction of Dahomey military forces) try to change that arrangement IRL? Who knows, but probably not. Historical fiction is full of that sort of license for the sake of an entertaining story.
Was there actually an historic D'Artagnan in the (real) Musketeers, and (if so) did he really do any of things reflected in the novel and films? Probably not.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:51 am to AggieHank86
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The defeated are offered as tribute to the draconian Oyo Empire, who then deal their fellow Africans as slaves to Europeans in exchange for guns.
Yes, they're going to pretend that they only dealt in slavery because they were forced to by the evil, white-man-backed Oyo Empire. They'll completely whitewash the fact that they dealt in slavery of their own free will, including women and children, to the point that Great Britain had a naval blockade just for them. There is zero evidence that they tried to end slavery, only evidence that they fought with their neighbors who were demanding tribute.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:53 am to AggieHank86
quote:But none of that actually happened, tho.
Again, this seems to be a plot point in the film. According to what I’ve read, the Viola Davis character is attempting to convince the king to disassociate from the Oyo Empire and from the slave trade.
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