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re: New Gillette commerical invokes #MeToo, blames men for everything.

Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:30 pm to
Actually it was this:

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practically on top of each other.


You know this is disingenuous. Instead of talking to me you are trying to discredit me.

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New Army?


Normally this doesn't bother me much, but with the way you are responding to me in this thread right now, frick you dude. Take your condescension elsewhere. I expect more from you.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 1:31 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:31 pm to
Again you keep dodging the fact that we JUST saw the ill effects of this kind of toxic-masculinity demonstrated in the Kavanaugh hearings. The cultural belief being fostered by people/entities like Gillette that men are neer-do-wells and at cross-purposes with women at their base selves is absolutely something that has bearing on politics. Silly to argue otherwise.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:32 pm to
Gillette isn't discussing it as an idea in a political climate though. They are discussing it as an everyday real life situational thing. You have to be able to identify the difference between the two.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43440 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:32 pm to
Honest question:

Can you name one part of the culture of this country where politics has not been injected?
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:33 pm to
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I'm not going to argue with an idiot, this isn't the best men can do. You need to do better.


got it, you are making shite up.


pathetic.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:34 pm to
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Guess I'm getting the straight razor sharpened. Or join Dollar Shave Club.


Dorco for Shaving

This is where Dollar Shave Club and other clubs buy their shite in bulk. I get the 3 blade style for $25 and the replacement blades last me about a year.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:34 pm to
Culture is a way of life. It's how we act. It's what we believe. Religion. Art. Entertainment. Lifestyle. Yes, the government does get involved in these aspects from time to time. Some more frequently than others. But that does not mean that anything cultural is also political.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:35 pm to
If you don't think politics is driving this then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:35 pm to
Everything s political
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41293 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:35 pm to
Your fellow SJW’s have injected politics into everything. Don’t act like they haven’t.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:35 pm to
Can't remember when I last bought a Gillette product. Probably "Foamy" back in the 60s
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262760 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to
Believe women...
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8028 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to
Here's what happened.

Context:
- Gillette is getting killed by the 18 - 35 demographic and has been losing market share YoY for almost a decade straight - frankly, P&G has largely done a terrible job with the acquisition in general
- Launched a big women's support initiative last year as part of the marketing campaign to both corral more of that market and stem the bleeding on their younger male market (or so they thought)
- P&G cut back big time on digital spend last year and is trying to re-arrange the ad spending market almost all on their own right now, and they're taking some risks; that includes both giving business managers (Tide, Gillette, what have you) a lot more leeway and working with some pretty out-there digital targeting types to get away from traditional marketing

What Probably Happened:
- Some late 30's or early 40's VP of marketing in Cincinnati with an MBA from Harvard or Northwestern and steeped in SJW religion has been pushing an idea like this for several years in order to "think outside the box" and "re-position our brand"
- The losses in their men's shaving business have continued unabated
- SJW VP of marketing continues with the internal campaign
- They bring in these new micro-targeting people who don't have the marketing experience or the common sense to tell them how stupid this was
- Some pushover division head in Cincinnati gave it the go ahead, as did their CMO and CEO, and patted themselves on the back about how forward-thinking they are
- They decide to throw the ad as a hail mary in the 18 - 35 demographic
- Ad back-fires spectactularly

Contrast with the Nike Kaepernick campaign (which was very well done, IMO):
- Preachy, lots of negative images, chastising, grouping a huge demographic into stereotyping buckets (P&G) vs. inspiring, lots of positive images, physically beautiful, talking to the customer as an individual (Nike Kaep ad)
- A fairly radical departure against the company's historical branding (P&G) vs. yet another step very much in line with the company's historical branding (Nike)
- Using a hot button political and cultural flash-point as the in-your-face theme of the campaign (P&G) vs. using the hot button political and cultural flash-point as the more subtle narrator of the campaign (Nike)

TL/DR: Old, clumsy company tries to reverse course on 100 years of branding and fails spectacularly for a lot of reasons.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to
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practically on top of each other.


Meaning their intersection is practically a mirror-image of their full shapes. Precisely the point I sought to convey.

What in the blazes is wrong with that description in your mind? Disagree with my point however you shall, but the description was accurate, not bullshite. And you know it.

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You know this is disingenuous. Instead of talking to me you are trying to discredit me.


I've been talking to you this whole time. YOU'RE the one trying to discredit me based on a remarkably mundane description of a concept that YOU brought up.


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Normally this doesn't bother me much, but with the way you are responding to me in this thread right now, frick you dude. Take your condescension elsewhere. I expect more from you.


You can take that raggedy ol' high horse and ride right the frick on outta here with this. Gonna come at me with "you're better than this," over a fricking Venn diagram description and then call out others for condescension? The frick?
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to
I actually didn’t mind that commercial.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to
A cultural shift is driving this. That shift is also driving changes in politics. But politics is not driving this at all.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:37 pm to
All the crazies on both sides are attempting to inject politics into everything. I'm arguing that people should stop doing that.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:37 pm to
Believe evidence.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41293 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

A cultural shift is driving this


What shift is that, all men are inherently “bad”?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74707 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:38 pm to
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Again you keep dodging the fact that we JUST saw the ill effects of this kind of toxic-masculinity demonstrated in the Kavanaugh hearings


Aggiedub was and still is with Christine Blasely
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