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re: New development tonight: senators working on comprehensive deal: wall for bunch of stuff

Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:02 am to
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38919 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:02 am to
I don’t really care about DACA as long as they never get citizenship. Those people are never getting deported so it doesn’t really make much of a difference
Posted by MissyTiger
Member since Nov 2018
538 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:06 am to
Tell the dems that they will get nothing.
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 5:54 am to
Republicans are ready to give up the farm for this to end.

Would Trump veto ANY bill that includes the wall? I think Democrats will negotiate the senate republicans into amnesty. What does Trump do then?
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 6:03 am to
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ETA: Agreed on the education though. Americans need to get more interested in STEM.



An often repeated myth that has found its way into popular culture thanks to free traders, outsourcers, and mass immigration advocates.

"A compelling body of research is now available, from many leading academic researchers and from respected research organizations such as the National Bureau of Economic Research, the RAND Corporation, and the Urban Institute. No one has been able to find any evidence indicating current widespread labor market shortages or hiring difficulties in science and engineering occupations that require bachelors degrees or higher, although some are forecasting high growth in occupations that require post-high school training but not a bachelors degree. All have concluded that U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings—the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more. Were there to be a genuine shortage at present, there would be evidence of employers raising wage offers to attract the scientists and engineers they want. But the evidence points in the other direction: Most studies report that real wages in many—but not all—science and engineering occupations have been flat or slow-growing, and unemployment as high or higher than in many comparably-skilled occupations."

LINK
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62005 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 6:04 am to
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Please, No amnesty for illegals on welfare. Don't give everything else away for a symbolic wall.


We all know this is the likely outcome. That way, both sides will be able to claim victory.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 6:04 am to
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I don’t really care about DACA as long as they never get citizenship


They will be given green cards and then citizenship by the judiciary about five minutes after they are given any sort of visa. Deportation is the only solution.

The hatred of amnesty is epic in the GOP base. It's the main reason Marco Rubio no longer has higher political ambitions. Remember the gang of eight debacle? No GOP Pol with an ounce of sense will sign on to an amnesty.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 6:08 am
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
2364 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:39 am to
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Manu Raju 
Manu Raju 
@mkraju 
In Graham’s office, GOP senators discussed an immigration deal - $5.7B for the wall - plus provisions to entice Dems: DACA, TPS, H2B. Kushner told them if it has wall money and can pass Senate, WH would be open to further talks. Rs now plan to pitch Ds




If dems reject this, LOL


Dems once made this same deal, but offered $25 billion for the wall. Anne Coulter told Trump to turn it down. How is giving the same thing for 5 billion a win?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:00 am to
Trump already rejected the wall for DACA - no chance Stephen Miller lets him accept it this time.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103141 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:03 am to
The type of worker being imported is questionable.


Bringing in computer guys is just wanting to have “techno-coolies” for the most part because you can find domestic programmers to do the work but you don’t have absolute control over them due to holding their visa like you do with ones from India.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18790 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:11 am to
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H2B


is a visa program. It's very popular with donors of both parties to bring in foreign workers to replace more expensive American workers. Expanding it would be a mistake.


This program is huuge in the IT sector. The key point is your employer holds your visa. It is slave labor. You bring in a bright kid from India, he soon realizes he could get another job for double the pay and half the work....not so fast my friend unless you wanna go back to India. And yes you many times replace a US worker, even making them train their replacement. Even though the premise of the h2b visa is that the person has a skill you cannot source with US labor.

The bright side is, a lot of these sharp kids do find a way/avenue to stay in the US and help the economy, and become citizens....unlike the ganbangers from the south.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18790 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:14 am to
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A great many people overstay their visas and then get welfare.


Most people who overstay their visas are students/business people/family members, who do not stay permanently.

The overstaying of visas, or the fact they travel by plane, is just a shiny object the left throws out there. People who travel by plane to go to Stanford and stay an extra semester while they work out their VISA, are not the problem.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43958 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:15 am to
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We need to decrease highly skilled worker importing too. We need to educate our native born people for those jobs. More difficult, but better in the long run.


So..... You want the gov't to control the labor market? Central planning? How's that not Socialism?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18790 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:15 am to
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Why the frick is it that the GOP is always the one doing the compromising.


frick every bit of this.


I regret that I have but one upvote to give.


Two upvotes. WE ALREADY DID COMPROMISE UNDER REAGAN, WE HAVE 28 MILLION ILLEGALS AND ANOTHER 20 MILLION ANCHOR BABIES TO PROVE IT.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18790 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:19 am to
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Fully fund it with 15+ billion, and lets get into E-Verify, Voter ID, Taxing remittances etc.. we have more tools than just the wall for leverage.


Now we talking, that would be true negotiation...aint gonna happen. We will settle for daca citizenship and they will demand dapa (which was citizenship for the parents as well that obama tried to slide under the rug).
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22565 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:22 am to
So essentially the Gang of 8 bill?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:23 am to
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Dems once made this same deal, but offered $25 billion for the wall. Anne Coulter told Trump to turn it down. How is giving the same thing for 5 billion a win?

they agreed to the full $25bil?
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39708 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:29 am to
Look on the bright side...

Crawfish would probably be around $5.00 per lb if it weren't for TPS and H2B workers.

Doesn't mean I support though.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:49 am to
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You want the gov't to control the labor market


No, he wants the government to stop its reverse subsidy of it.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:53 am to
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Have had to use it several times in rural areas where we couldn’t find enough locals capable of passing a drug test


... For the wages you wanted to pay. A market for me, but not for thee. Typical.
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
20930 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:54 am to
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Now we talking, that would be true negotiation...aint gonna happen.


yep
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