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re: New Court Filings Show Grand Jury Properly Voted On Indictment of Former FBI Head Comey

Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:13 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:13 am to
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You are leading the parade of the groups you just referenced.

No

Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:16 am to
Megan needs to back off on the kegels. Her clavicles are protruding horribly.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:20 am to
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End of story.


With all due respect, I don't think you understand the story.

I know most of y'all think this is just lawyer bullshite, but, "failure to present the operative indictment violates both the constitutional
requirement that no “person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,” U.S. Const. Amend. V, and the legal requirement that a “grand jury may indict only if at least 12 jurors concur,” Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(f)."

Comey Reply Memo

I wish the DOJ has found a lawyer with ANY criminal law experience to file the first case against one of the worst Deep State offenders. Unfortunately, they didn't. I have sympathy for Halligan because she was thrown to the wolves without any competent help.
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:33 am to
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How would you possibly know this?


The Court Transcripts tell you everything you need to know.
Posted by RedStickFox
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:35 am to
If the indictment was shown to the entire grand jury that means that Halligan committed perjury in court when she stated that she didn't. It would also mean that her original documents she submitted to court were false because they stated that the only thing that happened during the empty space in the grand jury report were deliberations, but if she created a second indictment and showed it to the entire grand jury then she left it out of the report and therefor submitted a false report.

We are far beyond the point where this can be fixed by merely claiming that something actually did happen. The indictments don't match the records of the proceedings and the statements by the DOJ. Someone is either lying or has fricked everything up.

This is exactly what you would expect if you hired an inept lawyer with absolutely no prosecutorial experience and put make them do a grand jury proceeding on their third day on the job all by themselves with no assistance. It is astounding how innept this group is.
Posted by Rip Torn
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:36 am to
You live with everyday when you pretend to be a conservative
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:36 am to
Lemons literally was about to say I don't really know and then said I wasn't there.


So he doesn't know.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:40 am to
She made comments about women waiting in line at a thing, that they were so fat. She needs a few turkey meals and sammiches.
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:42 am to
I have no idea where Halligan "admitted" or Lemons "admitted" anything related to the indictment not being shown to the Grand Jury.

Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:49 am to
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Yeah this is just taking the DOJ's response brief (one-sided) as THE truth


You certainly had no issue doing that when the dems were employing their lawfare against Trump and conservatives
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:50 am to
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You certainly had no issue doing that when the dems were employing their lawfare against Trump and conservatives


Your lack of honesty has already been noted. We didn't need you to prove it any further.
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 11:50 am
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:52 am to
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If the indictment was shown to the entire grand jury that means that Halligan committed perjury in court when she stated that she didn't


Perjury requires mens rea. She has to willfully lie. I don’t think she would willfully lie by make a statement that would jeopardize the indictment and question her acumen
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:56 am to
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If the indictment was shown to the entire grand jury that means that Halligan committed perjury in court when she stated that she didn't.


The *amended* indictment was not presented in front of the whole grand jury. USA is now claiming this is proper, or at the very least harmless error.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:57 am to
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She has to willfully lie. I don’t think she would willfully make a statement that would jeopardize the indictment and question her acumen


I think there is potential for that on both sides of the aisle.
Posted by MikkUGA
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:02 pm to
They said that they brought back the new indictment with the two charges they originally voted on and without the third one they didn't approve. The entire jury then read over the indictments and all of them voted again. They have a transcript of it all. The problem here is this is a biased judge interdicting himself into this case. If the defense lawyer goes after clerical errors it is one thing. The judge is the one going after the prosecution and the judge was wrong. What is pathetic is we are seeing daily federal judges acting as protestors and using their seats to circumvent a duly elected President and his administration. It's past time to get rid of the filibuster and start ramming this shite down the throats of the democrats.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:03 pm to
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I have no idea where Halligan "admitted" or Lemons "admitted" anything related to the indictment not being shown to the Grand Jury.


Read the bottom of the page you cited. The Judge says that he wanted to confirm that the operative indictment was never even shared with the entire Grand Jury. No one on the prosecution disputed that.

Here's the prior page of the transcript where the AUSA explicitly admits that the indictment was never presented to the full Grand Jury:




Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:06 pm to
"That is my understanding" is not an admission.

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Ivory may need to start a thread on this. With SFP expert commentary.

Explained here. With lawyers that have actually done jury trials on both sides of the gambit.


I like Megyn, but her "exclusive reporting" is shown to be false both by the transcript of the Grand Jury proceedings and the transcript of the most recent hearing where the Judge confirmed that the full Grand Jury NEVER voted on the indictment that was actually filed in this case.

The legal import of that failure is still up in the air. Again, the Court had the parties brief on a case which suggests that the government might prevail if the Court finds Comey was not prejudiced by the error.
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:38 pm to
It's probably stupid to clarify legal points here, but...not even the Prosecution argues what the OP claims: that the Grand Jury properly voted on the indictment.

Here's the Prosecution's argument (I think they did a good job):

Government's Brief on Grand Jury Vote
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:50 pm to
The Grand Jury returned a true bill on 2 counts of a 3 count indictment. The prosecutor provided the court what it needed. This case will move forward to trial.

Why must there be any additional obfuscation from you? If the OP tells you a crow will fornicate with a buzzard, please, believe the OP.

The OP would hate seeing you out in the middle of the road playing dead to prove OP wrong!!

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