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re: Net neutrality, what is this boards consensus?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:01 pm to NOFOX
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:01 pm to NOFOX
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People I have talked to casually about mesh networks (albeit it a limited number) all say that scaling beyond small densely populated areas is a huge problem that is nowhere close to being solved. Has that changed in the last several years? Also who would own the long haul infrastructure?
That is because setting up a reliable node would be ridiculously cost inefficient. If you could be paid for use of the node, scaling becomes less of a problem.
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How far away is an implementation that would be user/maintenance friendly for the simpleton public?
I saw quick propagation of bitTorrent. It's certainly something that COULD happen rapidly if the right environment was in place. The problem isn't so much the technological aspect (although there would need to be some more development of Bitcoin), it's the limitation of potential customers to a node operator.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:06 pm to joshnorris14
That still feels like it's at least a generation away from being viable honestly. But it's an interesting perspective. Thanks for your insight on the topic.
I'm still far from being convinced that it's a better option for the immediate future than is net neutrality, but that position at least makes more sense than the arguments I'd been hearing from your side to date.
I'm still far from being convinced that it's a better option for the immediate future than is net neutrality, but that position at least makes more sense than the arguments I'd been hearing from your side to date.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:08 pm to joshnorris14
If you produce an efficient, safe, and reliable decentralized ISP using a nano currency, I'll gladly not support NN.
Until then, it's a necessary evil.
I don't think you are anywhere close enough for this to replace the current system.
People already hate the current providers, if this new system is legit, it will replace the current eventually, even with NN on the books.
Until then, it's a necessary evil.
I don't think you are anywhere close enough for this to replace the current system.
People already hate the current providers, if this new system is legit, it will replace the current eventually, even with NN on the books.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:12 pm to Salmon
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People already hate the current providers, if this new system is legit, it will replace the current eventually, even with NN on the books.
This is my largest gripe from a pragmatic standpoint with NN, it removes user interest from the equation. DISPs strength would be typical of all networks, their quality and value will grow exponentially with the network. Every technical aspect could be solidly in place and DISP would be essentially worthless as a concept without interested individuals willing and desiring to use DISP nodes instead of their ISPs in some circumstances.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:13 pm to Salmon
I think what josh is trying to say is that under the current system there is no incentive to develop a decentralized system. If NN fails and ISP's start acting up, then I imagine the incentive for that system skyrockets. Which I think ties into his point about the the lack of innovation under the current system.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:14 pm to crazy4lsu
Thanks for stating it more clearly
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:15 pm to td01241
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I don't care if Comcast throttles Netflix. The government should not have their hands on the greatest invention ever.
But I'm sure it's ok for the government to foot the bill to build out the infrastructure.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:16 pm to td01241
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Get rid of it. Government regulates too much.
Your getting down voted baw. Too many people believe a corporation should spend billions of dollars building a network, years building a customer base and then have the government come in and tell that company you will not restrict the BW/traffic/data throughput of your competitors who have the legal right to access your network through government intervention.
Whew! that was a long arse sentence. There's more to it than that but from Verizon/AT+T/Sprint's standpoint and any of the other major carriers that is what it boils down to.
So to condense it into a more cogent statement, the big carriers do not want their customers service to suck as bad as their competitors in the name of fair competition.
It's all about data throughput and if your competitor is guaranteed equal throughput on the network you built it can impact your customers when data traffic is at peak usage which is usually after 4PM-10PM during the week, weekend traffic is also very heavy.
I know a lot of people wish it was still 1970 and AT+T was the only game and completely regulated by the government.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:18 pm to Bass Tiger
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Too many people believe a corporation should spend billions of dollars building a network, years building a customer base and then have the government come in
Talking about government "coming in" is hilarious. The government was never not "in" going back to ARPANET.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think what josh is trying to say is that under the current system there is no incentive to develop a decentralized system. If NN fails and ISP's start acting up, then I imagine the incentive for that system skyrockets. Which I think ties into his point about the the lack of innovation under the current system.
My question is even with that incentive and the system skyrockets, how long until you have a mainstream useable system? My basic understanding is that it would take many years before mesh networks are mounting a serious challenge and that is before the inevitable regulatory roadblocks manufactured by the ISP's on multiple levels.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:20 pm to crazy4lsu
I just think that people already hate the current system enough and will readily support another system if viable.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:21 pm to NOFOX
I question how well distributed ISPs would work for something like gaming, or video chat if you're a normie. Something that is real-time and depends on ping doesn't seem like it would work along the BitTorrent model.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:21 pm to NOFOX
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My basic understanding is that it would take many years before mesh networks are mounting a serious challenge and that is before the inevitable regulatory roadblocks manufactured by the ISP's on multiple levels.
The only reason why this is the case is the inefficient nature of operating a node. With a payment mechanism, anyone could chase the profits
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:21 pm to Iosh
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I question how well distributed ISPs would work for something like gaming, or video chat if you're a normie. Something that is real-time and depends on ping doesn't seem like it would work along the BitTorrent model.
I'll agree with you on this point.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:22 pm to 225bred
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Net neutrality, what is this boards consensus?
I wholeheartedly support it and you should too if you don't want this to be reality in the future....
Republicans being in bed with big telecoms is one thing I fricking hate about them.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:25 pm to Salmon
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People that want to get rid of net neutrality for the "free market" have no idea what they are talking about.
Yep.
Republicans have no intention of letting internet freedom ever see the light of day in a truly free market if they can kill net neutrality.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:25 pm to td01241
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That will never happen.
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