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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:00 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:00 am to Darth_Vader
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I'm pretty sure pedophiles don't choose to be sexually attracted to kids. Should thd same argument apply to them?
Pedophilia is harmful, abusive, and dangerous towards children, homosexuality is not.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:06 am to Darth_Vader
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So if a heterosexual doesn't fully support the gay agenda you think their a bigot.
Just people who make attempts to suppress their civil rights like marriage and enact statuary legislation that restrict their ability to start a family with their partner. And there's also people that derogatorily make fun of what makes them gay and I see this all the time when they focus only on the male homosexual act.
Besides, there is no big gay agenda. They just want the freedom to marry and being able to adopt kids and then live their lives. That's it.
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Does that not also mean that a homosexual who does not support what can be described as the heterosexual agenda as a bigot as well?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:19 am to ballscaster
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Sexuality is not a moral value. It is neither right nor wrong. Any moral value placed on sexuality is inferred by you and you only.
So there is no morality at all then.
Gotcha.
To say that sexuality has nothing to do with morality is completely ignorant. It is a core moral issue and every society in the history of the world has thought so. Suddenly, YOU show up and declare that the entire history of humanity is wrong but you have it figured out. Okay. Glad to know that we are now enlightened.
I'll go with the entire history of humanity on this one.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:23 am to Volmanac
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How is it "unnatural"? Does it not occur in nature?
It does occur for sure. but if you can not conclude that it's unnatural, then can you explain to the rest of us how it is natural?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:24 am to Darth_Vader
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So if a heterosexual doesn't fully support the gay agenda you think they're a bigot.
So what is this agenda?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:26 am to Sevendust912
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Pedophilia is harmful, abusive, and dangerous towards children, homosexuality is not
So how does that pervert from Penn State fit into your line of thinking?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:27 am to AUsome Possum
Homosexuality isn't unnatural and it isn't "wrong" per se. It's simply a mental disorder. Always has been, always will be regardless of what the quacks at the APA say.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:28 am to ApexTiger
Easy, he was a pedophile.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:32 am to ApexTiger
Oh look, another disgusting bigot trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:34 am to ApexTiger
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So how does that pervert from Penn State fit into your line of thinking?
He was a pedophile. Just happened to be a pedophile piece of shite that liked little boys instead of a heterosexual pedophile piece of shite that likes little girls.
You're out of line for comparing homosexuality with pedophilia btw. Shame on you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:49 am to Rickety Cricket
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Oh look, another disgusting bigot trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.
Kind of made a quick jump didn't you? I asked a question
Read the post I replied to... then you can apologize for being a jerk to me.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:08 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:54 am to Sentrius
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You're out of line for comparing homosexuality with pedophilia btw. Shame on you.
I am not comparing but earlier in the post someone tried to say homosexuality was "natural".
How many of you would trust a gay male teen to babysit your children? I am must curious since "it's normal".
That pedophile was married with children of his own.
he was "normal" from the outside in every way, but he had a dark side like no other.
The fact is a lot of people who are homosexuals were sexually abused as children.
Not all, but many.
If we are honest, we all have a sin problem. Homosexuality is just easier to flag and say "That's wrong".
It's become an issue because homosexuals are bent on declaring it "normal" to point of marriage for the sake of equality.
that's my only issue with the so called movement
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:58 am to ApexTiger
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I am not comparing but earlier in the post someone tried to say homosexuality was "natural".
How many of you would trust a gay male teen to babysit your children? I am must curious since "it's normal".
That pedophile was married with children of his own.
he was "normal" from the outside in every way, but he had a dark side like no other.
The fact is a lot of people who are homosexuals were sexually abused as children.
Not all, but many.
If we are honest, we all have a sin problem. Homosexuality is just easier to flag and say "That's wrong".
It's become an issue because homosexuals are bent on declaring it "normal" to point of marriage for the sake of equality.
that's my only issue with the so called movement
And there it is. I swear, some of you are too retarded to fricking draw breath.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:59 am to Tigerlaff
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And there it is. I swear, some of you are too retarded to fricking draw breath.
What did I say that was retarded?
I'd really like to understand?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:00 am to AUsome Possum
quote:For you. Apparently that a sexuality is right or wrong is part of the moral code by which you have chosen to live. I suppose that you could argue that since I am heterosexual, it would be immoral for me to have sex with a man since that would be a perversion of my natural sexuality. I don't see it quite that way since I don't even go that far; the reason I don't have sex with men is out of lack of interest in them and not because of a moral code I have chosen.
And yes it is right or wrong.
Likewise, if a gay man who is in a committed, monogamous, homosexual relationship with another man, I can see an argument that having sex with a woman (ie, anything other than "his" man) is immoral. He has chosen to step out of his commitment sexually.
quote:Sexuality itself is not a moral value. It simply isn't what those sets of words mean. This is not debatable. It is obvious that most of us place some moral value on our sexualities, but that comes from our consciences; these moral values are made by us and are not synonymous with sexuality itself. These moral values are good, say I.
That is highly debatable
quote:The way you feel about these things is your decision entirely, and your responsibility, too. Not theirs.
Always attempting to make it fit their novel perfectly.
quote:Don't know, don't care. I'm a grown man and don't have the unhealthy focus on the sexuality of others that you have. If this kind of thing is on the radar for you, it is because you have put it there.
why most think this is the proper term to use and for what reasons. Where does the root of lack of knowledge descend from when discussing one who is heterosexual's preference on life?
My advice: be yourself, be happy, and be honest, and this stuff will never bother you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:02 am to Lsut81
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I think you are all over the place with your OP... I don't think anyone on here, and I could be wrong, has said that you have to accept homosexuality, embrace it, etc... You can disagree with whatever you would like.
On this point, you are sadly mistaken.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:03 am to AUsome Possum
Your concern re greater societal Principle may be just, AU...but until you are harmed by the belief/action of an individual/group...your "agreement" is really a moral judgment. Of the which a particular, spiritual Book...discourages. Because one may not see all the angles.
The mind of a particular individual is as diverse as the limbs on a particular tree. Oaks are Oaks and Cypress are Cypress...they have common/recognizable traits but infinitely variable characteristics.
Humanity is going to go everywhere possible; we need to know. Morality is basically a grouping of ideas/actions that successfully promote the survival and prosperity of the individual and humanity. As times change, what was moral (practical) back when...may be impractical or even counter-productive today. Every single human is genetically imbued with ideas which - if acted upon - promote disharmony and impede the survival and prosperity of the group. I'm genetically inclined to run off with your wife...if she's attractive (to me). In today's world...that could be good...or bad. All depending on the outcome. But breaking up family allegiances and promoting societal instability surely would not have been good back in the day when the Bible was written. Society was much more tight nit and dependent.
Bottom line...regarding morality, it is up to the Individual to educate themselves and make choices/actions as to the greater impact that their beliefs/actions have on both their own spiritual advancement...and that of the Society at large. If they care about the health of the Group, over and above their own eccentric desires.
Regarding homo-sexuality - in today's world - I suspect that cellphones/social media do more to negatively impact the greater stability and prosperity of the social construct, individual psyches, and the Collective...than moral catfights re which body cavity particular folks/groups find psychologically preferable.
'Adam' left the 'Garden' to get a complete education; God allowed such a choice, for good reason. Philosophically, everybody has a right to find out for themselves. And in this Universe, we all will be affected to some degree, by other people's choices. More a matter of how being affected...affects one's own creation of personal character and vision. After all...we are captive to and live within the confines of our own minds and the subjective Reality which we create.
Eye on the ball!
The mind of a particular individual is as diverse as the limbs on a particular tree. Oaks are Oaks and Cypress are Cypress...they have common/recognizable traits but infinitely variable characteristics.
Humanity is going to go everywhere possible; we need to know. Morality is basically a grouping of ideas/actions that successfully promote the survival and prosperity of the individual and humanity. As times change, what was moral (practical) back when...may be impractical or even counter-productive today. Every single human is genetically imbued with ideas which - if acted upon - promote disharmony and impede the survival and prosperity of the group. I'm genetically inclined to run off with your wife...if she's attractive (to me). In today's world...that could be good...or bad. All depending on the outcome. But breaking up family allegiances and promoting societal instability surely would not have been good back in the day when the Bible was written. Society was much more tight nit and dependent.
Bottom line...regarding morality, it is up to the Individual to educate themselves and make choices/actions as to the greater impact that their beliefs/actions have on both their own spiritual advancement...and that of the Society at large. If they care about the health of the Group, over and above their own eccentric desires.
Regarding homo-sexuality - in today's world - I suspect that cellphones/social media do more to negatively impact the greater stability and prosperity of the social construct, individual psyches, and the Collective...than moral catfights re which body cavity particular folks/groups find psychologically preferable.
'Adam' left the 'Garden' to get a complete education; God allowed such a choice, for good reason. Philosophically, everybody has a right to find out for themselves. And in this Universe, we all will be affected to some degree, by other people's choices. More a matter of how being affected...affects one's own creation of personal character and vision. After all...we are captive to and live within the confines of our own minds and the subjective Reality which we create.
Eye on the ball!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:03 am to ballscaster
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Sexuality itself is not a moral value. It simply isn't what those sets of words mean. This is not debatable. It is obvious that most of us place some moral value on our sexualities, but that comes from our consciences; these moral values are made by us and are not synonymous with sexuality itself. These moral values are good, say I.
Ball, I know you probably won't like scripture quoted in response to your post but if God is not permitted into the conversation, then what "moral code or value" are we actually talking about?
A code we created for ourselves? Really?
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:06 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:07 am to ShortyRob
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Homosexuality isn't unnatural and it isn't "wrong" per se. It's simply a mental disorder. Always has been, always will be regardless of what the quacks at the APA say.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:08 am to ApexTiger
quote:Um, either code you are referring to is written by us.
A code we created for ourselves? Really?
Regardless, the reality is that homosexuality is just a mental disorder. One that I don't care much about as long as they don't bother me, but a mental disorder nonetheless.
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