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re: NATO readies 300,000 troops for European Defense Against Russia
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:45 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:45 am to OMLandshark
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That’s all those LARPers do in that Ukraine thread in the OT. “No the Russians can’t do that, they won’t use a nuke.” Meanwhile, these same mother frickers are claiming that Putin is Hitler and if we don’t stop him in Ukraine then he will take over all of Europe. Just the hypocrisy right there is astounding.
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Listen, I remember being slandered as being with the terrorists when I was against the War in Iraq and the Patriot Act, so that dog doesn’t hunt with me.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:47 am
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:46 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Did we let Russia gain technical superiority?
No
The only reason Russia hasn't faced a real military response is their potential nuclear response, and Putin's potential to commit suicide with it.
Russia has shown in Ukraine that it still wants to right like it's pre-WW2, which is the Russian way. If nukes were off the table, American and European forces would have controlled the air from the outset, rendering Russia's operations much more neutered. Russia is competing with our last gen of planes and doesn't even have anything to compete with the near-20 year old F22.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:49 am to stelly1025
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You know looking at that map ,and I really hate to say this ,but I see Putin's point. He is virtually surrounded from the West and East and even South East. I do understand he is a former KGB thug that would like to see the USSR reestablished ,but yeah kinda have him surrounded and I do not think that provocation is the way to go at the moment.
But acknowledging this apparently makes you a Putin supporter. Sorry, but according to the OT thread, Russia is Mordor, Putin is Sauron, and all the Russians are orcs. They literally say this in the thread referring to the Russians, so I’m not making this up.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:50 am to KiwiHead
NATO started as a collective defense pact. It is not supposed to be a mutual suicide pact.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:52 am to GeauxVols
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NATO started as a collective defense pact. It is not supposed to be a mutual suicide pact.
My mother told me that NATO have never been aggressors and are merely a defensive pact, and this was my response:
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:53 am to POTUS2024
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their industrial base is far superior to ours
Started laughing hysterically right there. You should do stand up. The Russian economy is the size of California's.....which is 7th or 8th largest in the world, but in the US it's only a part of our economic AND industrial base.
I'm not for attacking Russia. I understand your apprehension of poking a nuclear power, but consider this:
Say Putin is able to achieve a breakout finally in Ukraine and he rolls to the Dnieper, then seeing Ukrainian forces collapsing decides to cross that river and shoot for the Bessarabian Gap towards the Romanian frontier and puts pressure to Lvov near Poland. Would not prudence....and sanity dictate that NATO place a check on him?
Do you want him extorting Eastern Europe....particularly the Baltic States....not invading, extorting NATO via threats on the Baltic and probably towards Romania?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:53 am to Bunk Moreland
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Andrei may be full of shite, but he is former Soviet Navy and has written like four books. He repeatedly says the U.S. Navy is great, but the U.S. would be incompetent in a land war without a turkey shoot against defenseless Iraqis. Anyway, this is what he says about hitting back at bases. I think I saw something in western media the other day with numbers like this.
I watch his stuff sometimes. Many others agree with him that many of these Russian missiles cannot be defended against. There is no doubt that Russian subs are in reasonable proximity to our east coast, maybe the west coast as well. These hypersonic missiles carry so much kinetic energy that they don't even need a warhead to be devastating. Everything from Ft. Drum to Ft. Benning could be hit within minutes. But people will come on here and say the Russians are not capable or that being cautious and not wanting WWIII makes you a Putin lover etc.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:54 am to nealnan8
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Russia does not have the balls or strength to make ports in Western Europe unusable, which the article references that inspired this X post. Attacking ports in Rotterdam, LeHavre, Antwerp, Hamburg, etc. This would indeed be World War 3, as it should be.
So which is it? Russia is too weak to invade Europe or if we don’t stop them in Ukraine they’ll take over the entire continent?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:54 am to KiwiHead
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The level of Russia’s weapons and ammunition production since the start of the conflict with Ukraine has surpassed NATO’s expectations, the secretary general of the US-led military bloc has acknowledged. Speaking to Sky News on Monday, Jens Stoltenberg was asked to comment on a study released last month by the consulting firm Bain & Company, which revealed that Moscow was generating artillery shells at more than three times the rate of all NATO members combined. “It’s correct that Russia has been able to build up their defense industry faster than we expected, and it’s correct that NATO allies have spent more time than they should in ramping up our production,” Stoltenberg replied.
LINK
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:57 am to OMLandshark
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My mother told me that NATO have never been aggressors and are merely a defensive pact, and this was my response
When has NATO been an aggressor without UNSC approval/request?
Remember, if the UNSC approved something, Russia approved it too
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:58 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:08 am to MrLSU
This is just planning, and it’s prudent planning.
Somewhere in the Pentagon is a plan for the invasion of Canada. It makes sense to be prepared.
This is a nothing burger.
Somewhere in the Pentagon is a plan for the invasion of Canada. It makes sense to be prepared.
This is a nothing burger.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:14 am to MrLSU
For goodness sake. Lets just do it damn it! Get it over with so we can get on with the reset.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:19 am to KiwiHead
The last time the Russians tried occupation on a mass scale it led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Why would they occupy west of the Dnieper, let alone former Warsaw Pact countries, knowing they’ll face a protracted insurgency?
Their combat operations has been in the eastern oblasts that have strong ties to Russia in terms of culture, language and ethnicity. These same regions were also constant shelling from UKR forces after the 2014 Maidan revolution.
Why would they occupy west of the Dnieper, let alone former Warsaw Pact countries, knowing they’ll face a protracted insurgency?
Their combat operations has been in the eastern oblasts that have strong ties to Russia in terms of culture, language and ethnicity. These same regions were also constant shelling from UKR forces after the 2014 Maidan revolution.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:38 am to Bunk Moreland
You do realize that ramping up to 5x the Russian production is not a problem for the US alone. Plus our logistics capabilities make theirs look laughable.
The US military is a logistics/ supply chain operation that also fights wars.
The US military is a logistics/ supply chain operation that also fights wars.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:56 am to POTUS2024
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But people will come on here and say the Russians are not capable or that being cautious and not wanting WWIII makes you a Putin lover etc.
No. You’re only a Putin Lover if you talk about how much more superior the Russian military is, because no reasonable person thinks this. Only people who support Putin would claim that Russia has a superior military.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:58 am to KiwiHead
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The US military is a logistics/ supply chain operation that also fights wars.
Provided that there is internet / satellite access…yes.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:59 am to sta4ever
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sta4ever
Why aren’t you in a foxhole in Ukraine?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:01 am to Penrod
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I really don’t think this is about attacking Russia
And when you see they are going to provoke Russia into a direct conflict, what will you say?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:02 am to jimmy the leg
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Why aren’t you in a foxhole in Ukraine?
Why would I be in a foxhole in Ukraine?
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