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re: National Group Uncovers Real-Time Democrat Election Fraud – HERE’S HOW THEY DID IT

Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21944 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:03 pm to
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You’re dithering here.

Okay, but nobody has explained shite using real life cases/examples. Maybe that's impossible to do.
Posted by Cool Hand Luke
Member since Oct 2008
2012 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:04 pm to
I know Louisiana sucks on many levels, but everywhere I have voted used machines. Show ID, sign your name and vote. Why can't all states do it this way? Mail in voting is bs.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:16 pm to
There’s never going to be an explanation that will satisfy everyone because at the end of the day, no matter how many election security measures there are, you have to trust that human beings aren’t all colluding with each other to cheat.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62213 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:24 pm to
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There’s never going to be an explanation that will satisfy everyone because at the end of the day, no matter how many election security measures there are, you have to trust that human beings aren’t all colluding with each other to cheat.



FFS, this is an amazingly ignorant statement and it shows why you are so accepting of fraud.

A good system is auditable. It doesn't require trust. It has validity, checks and balances, and independence.

dumb, dumb, dubm
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4583 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:35 pm to
The people who were once known as ACORN is my guess.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:39 pm to
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FFS, this is an amazingly ignorant statement and it shows why you are so accepting of fraud. A good system is auditable. It doesn't require trust. It has validity, checks and balances, and independence. dumb, dumb, dubm


Who performs those audits? Who audits the auditors?

See how that works? That’s the kind of thing that has been repeated countlessly since 2020.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
8601 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:41 pm to


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Mickey Goldmill



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Who performs those audits? Who audits the auditors?

See how that works? That’s the kind of thing that has been repeated countlessly since 2020.


Nice melt.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18896 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:48 pm to
Here is an easier way. Secretary of State sends notification to every person registered who did not vote last election, send this notice back or we take you off the rolls, then send a second notice. When neither comes back, well there is your list for valid registered voters that you can use to stuff the boxes, with little risk of them showing up to vote and finding they already have.

And the argument "states have had mail in for years". Yes they have, like Alabama, you ask for an application to mail in, you then fill out the form, with a copy of a po, a copy of an id and submit and then you get a ballot. A pain in the arse, exactly as its meant to be so only disabled or elderly will do it.

They dont just sent out cart blanche ballots to the addresses on the dmv list.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62213 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:08 pm to
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Who performs those audits? Who audits the auditors?


In a perfect system it would be transparent to everyone. You’d have paper backed up by digital paper that could be crowd sourced and validated as necessary.

But you could also implement an adversarial system in which when an audit is required it is done with both parties participating.

An audit isn’t a request for some authority to review and give us a result that must be trusted. It’s a review of verifiable documents and processes whose results can be viewed, accepted, or argued against. Your need for an appeal to authority is a major weakness of yours.
Posted by jm_1776
Member since Jun 2020
285 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:15 pm to
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NO WAY that the American Radical Left EVER allow the abolition of mail in voting.


We also never thought the SC would overturn RvW and do what it should have done in the first place but here we are.

You should NEVER sacrifice your values and stop standing up for what you believe b/c things seem hopeless...

The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, its apathy.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:30 pm to

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But you could also implement an adversarial system in which when an audit is required it is done with both parties participating.


We have that now in every single election. Both sides have reps present. Y’all don’t trust the GOP side anymore so you still cry foul even when the entire group of officials handling the election are GOP.

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It’s a review of verifiable documents and processes whose results can be viewed, accepted, or argued against.


We have that now and y’all don’t trust the documents or anyone involved.

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Your need for an appeal to authority is a major weakness of yours.


Lol what? It’s not an appeal to authority. It’s recognition that many of the security measures y’all always complain we need, we already have and y’all don’t trust any of it.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 7:31 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62213 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:51 pm to
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We have that now in every single election. Both sides have reps present. Y’all don’t trust the GOP side anymore so you still cry foul even when the entire group of officials handling the election are GOP.


Poll watchers aren’t the same as poll workers aren’t the same as people who work in centralized tabulation centers.

But the system isn’t auditable. Getting data at the precinct level so that data can be analyzed is critical to determining where fraud may exist. Determining what ballots from where went through manual adjudication is critical. And being able to decide you want an audit of results from those subsets if ballots because of a data anomaly is critical to verify that there were no bad actors.

There should never be a need to trust anyone. There should always be a way to validate back to the ballot.

You seem very ignorant on systems in general.

You keep wanting to accept the word of someone. It’s a dumb dumb acceptance.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41891 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:52 pm to
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Who performs those audits? Who audits the auditors? See how that works? That’s the kind of thing that has been repeated countlessly since 2020.


Face it, many can’t admit that their guy lost.
They are going to use any incident to claim fraud.

Look at Marciopa County demographics. It’s not a Democrat enclave, but it has become a cesspool of fraud because their candidates lost.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62213 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:56 pm to
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Lol what? It’s not an appeal to authority. It’s recognition that many of the security measures y’all always complain we need, we already have and y’all don’t trust any of it.


Dude, mail in ballots has removed the most basic controls for election integrity. There is no verification of the voter to the ballot and tabulation is done centrally. That in itself opens the door to fraud.

You are out of your element.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:15 pm to
When states have all paper ballots, y’all don’t trust the ballots themselves or the tabulators.

When states use machine voting, y’all don’t trust the machines and say they are connected to Venezuela or the Vatican.

When an audit of the count is done, well that’s just not enough.

When every single individual paper ballot is made available in an audit, again the ballots themselves are fraudulent.

Dead people voting, middle of the night vote dumps, fake ballots hidden under the table.

Need I go on? No matter the scenario or system in place, it will never be enough as long as the maga candidate loses.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
12271 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:26 pm to
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Mail in voting is here to stay.



Great! Let's just use SurveyMonkey...much easier and just as secure
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154879 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:29 pm to
You didn’t answer my questions and they were in earnest.

Maybe you don’t know and that’s fine.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:37 pm to
My bad, yes they keep track of mail ballots, at least in Georgia. It’s publicly available right now for this runoff election and is updated everyday. It shows when the ballot was mailed, if it was properly returned, if it was accepted, if it came back as undeliverable, etc.

That info is all from the SOS website, and I assume it’s coming from each county clerk/election board.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65197 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:41 pm to
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Need I go on? No matter the scenario or system in place, it will never be enough as long as the maga candidate loses.


When Hillary lost it was the reverse, but no one seems to mention that. She basically started the election denier movement, blaming the Russian hacks, but that was proven false, even the supposedly Russian hacks of the DNC.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 8:43 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39873 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:42 pm to
What's wrong with a voting receipt? Everyone across the country should get one. Then in an audit situation where they canvas, if you don't provide your receipt, your vote gets tossed.
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