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re: Name a corporation that will defy the vaccine mandate
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:30 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:30 pm to East Coast Band
Warner Thomas CEO of Ochsner probably wrote the executive order for Biden
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:34 pm to East Coast Band
All of them will comply. They share the same goal.
Remember this though: it isn't people ranting and raving on message boards and social media that they need to worry about.
It will be their own employees once they begin the firings.
A man upset and posting angrily on social media about a news story usually isn't going to actually do anything. He is just venting.
A man who loses his job and livelihood has nothing left to lose. He wont post on social media. He may express his anger and hopelessness in tangible, terrifying ways.
I pray this plan doesn't go through. For everyone's sake. The country will burn if it does.
Everyone prepare now, if you havent already. Dark days are ahead.
Remember this though: it isn't people ranting and raving on message boards and social media that they need to worry about.
It will be their own employees once they begin the firings.
A man upset and posting angrily on social media about a news story usually isn't going to actually do anything. He is just venting.
A man who loses his job and livelihood has nothing left to lose. He wont post on social media. He may express his anger and hopelessness in tangible, terrifying ways.
I pray this plan doesn't go through. For everyone's sake. The country will burn if it does.
Everyone prepare now, if you havent already. Dark days are ahead.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:34 pm to NashvilleTider
quote:
If you have money in a national bank - get it out and go to a local bank
Local banks are no guaranty.
I work at a community bank that is decades old and they put this exact plan into place one month ago. Either get the shot or submit to weekly testing with free paid time off.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:38 pm to East Coast Band
Who knows with privately held firms? With public corporations, I expect 100% compliance with this crap. Can’t let those ESG scores dip.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:39 pm to East Coast Band
My multi-national company has already said it is illegal for them to ask your vaccination status. I don't think there is a way for them to comply. Biden has put a lot of international companies in a hard spot. They have to comply with all laws from every country.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:41 pm to East Coast Band
Anecdotal, but I used to work at Stanley Black & Decker, and for a Fortune 500, leadership/culture was pretty openly conservative, at least 6-7 years ago when I was there.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:47 pm to East Coast Band
Not too sure about corporations, but I’ll bet Hobby Lobby doesn’t cave.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:49 pm to Mike da Tigah
LINK - Twitter
#TheGreatAmericanWalkout
It’s from Ron Watkins and others organizing against this madness.
#TheGreatAmericanWalkout
It’s from Ron Watkins and others organizing against this madness.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:12 pm to East Coast Band
My hopes are Chick-fil-a and Weathertech
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:13 pm to East Coast Band
The free markets have spoken. Vaccines are a must.
Republicans still cater to corporate America, right?
Republicans still cater to corporate America, right?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:24 pm to BeepNode
Dirty little secret. Even inside the Federal government the rank and file managers and upper management are avoiding this like the plague. They are stuck in the middle and don't want the confrontation. While it may not be a massive walkout of the everyday workers it is enough to cause serious issues.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:26 pm to BeepNode
Then you are are not in tune with corporate America. Nothing happens without the lower level employee. Think Dollar General which is a 23B$company. I would guess 75% of employees are anti vax. If they walk that company collapses. Again that’s just one company who depends on that type of employee. This could be a big deal
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:37 pm to GetBackToWork
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Not saying I agree, but ... I’d wager most large companies prefer this mandate, as it gives them the backstop to make a definitive policy without back and forth from either side. There is one course of action and govt sets it, so the company is off the hook for the decision.
The flip side of that is that the thing corporations fear and hate the most is overregulation by the government and this is about as obvious of a footstep in that direction as you can get.
In a logical world this would get overturned at the SC but I hate the idea of betting anything more valuable to me than one of my dingleberries on John Roberts doing the right thing.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:56 pm to 88Wildcat
Prime Inc
Crete Carrier
JB Hunt
Werner
Hub Group
Crete Carrier
JB Hunt
Werner
Hub Group
Posted on 9/10/21 at 12:06 am to East Coast Band
I would imagine any publicly traded company would have to comply, given they are subject to an audit and have to answer to the shareholders.
I'm a CPA not a lawyer, though. Just from the auditors perspective.
I'm a CPA not a lawyer, though. Just from the auditors perspective.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 12:08 am to stout
quote:Well he is a Scientologist, who is probably lying about his net worth (definitely very wealthy; doubtful he’s a billionaire), and he just comes off as a scammy person, with a lot of gimmicks (Cardonne University), allegations of misleading investors, and just the fact that people who know his core business, recommend staying away from it because there are far better options, despite is so called “expertise.”
Billionaire Grant Cardone has already said he would
Regardless, I highly doubt he even falls under this mandate. I would be surprised if he had 100 employees because his business don’t seem labor intensive and to the extent that they do they seem better suited for a lot of contract work, and to the extent that they require employees, I suspect they are spread out over his businesses, which are probably separate entities altogether.
In addition, while this mandate will probably be hard to enforce, it would be easy to enforce when a well-known employer outright comes out and says they aren’t going to comply with it on social media. And one way the government can effectively enforce it is to do it through a very public and strong example, and this would be a prime example.
On top of that, he’s probably already on the government’s radar since he just beat a lawsuit in federal court, but the last thing he would want to do is to draw more attention to his businesses (true in general though).
Finally, if anything he is a great self-promoter. So this kind of statement is unsurprising. That said, if he was truly at risk and fell under the mandate, he could have made a strong statement against this mandate without outright saying he wouldn’t comply.
In fact, he could make an even stronger statement, by saying he would file a lawsuit against it, which would be not only a fight for his employees but all other employees and employers. That would be far better self-promotion, and he could even fundraise for the legal costs (which is a popular thing now). But that would also require him to have standing, and it would hard to have standing if he wasn’t covered by the mandate.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 12:10 am to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:
My hopes are Chick-fil-a and Weathertech
The same chick fil a that washed feet last year?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 12:20 am to East Coast Band
Many likely will
Unknownly opening their company up to massive civil lawsuits
Why?
Pfizer 'FDA approved' vaccine is an approval for a vaccine formula that isn't available yet. Correct...the mandates will be issued for the current available vaccine that is still EUA
Unknownly opening their company up to massive civil lawsuits
Why?
Pfizer 'FDA approved' vaccine is an approval for a vaccine formula that isn't available yet. Correct...the mandates will be issued for the current available vaccine that is still EUA
Posted on 9/10/21 at 12:25 am to tigerbeer
quote:This is why I bet a lot of employers, probably a majority, covered by this mandate, prefer it. It would be illogical, from a pure financial perspective, to not want all employees vaccinated: sick employees are less productive; likely to have to take a leave especially when it’s highly contagious and other employees could also get sick; risks increasing insurance costs especially health insurance whether through premiums or paying for treatments but also, if offered, disability and/or life insurance.
Then you are are not in tune with corporate America. Nothing happens without the lower level employee. Think Dollar General which is a 23B$company. I would guess 75% of employees are anti vax. If they walk that company collapses. Again that’s just one company who depends on that type of employee. This could be a big deal
So if employers have strong financial reasons for wanting their employees vaccinated, then there is good chance they support a mandated at least not really against it. So they probably hadn’t already done it (although many have) because they didn’t feel that they could personally do it both because they didn’t want to have to take responsibility for the fallout and because they didn’t want to give their competitors an advantage as a result by being the only one to do it.
So this mandate gives them cover and they can have the government can take responsibility for the fallout and their competitors (at least those with 100 or more employees) don’t get to take advantage of it since they’re all mandated.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 12:40 am to Bow08tie
quote:This is a bunch of nonsense. Pfizer’s is approved and legally falls under it like all other approved things under FDA, and not under EUA, with others sure to follow. So there isn’t any unique legal opening that Pfizer has that anything else FDA approved.
Pfizer 'FDA approved' vaccine is an approval for a vaccine formula that isn't available yet. Correct...the mandates will be issued for the current available vaccine that is still EUA
Even if it was under the EUA private employers probably still would be able to mandate it without facing legal risks. They should and do have the freedom to make their own choices without government interference (laws, regulations, and lawsuits), especially in regards to what can’t do if they can justify it compared to what they must where justification is irrelevant.
Regardless, since this is government mandated, they’re not really at risk of being held responsible if a lawsuit was filed, especially if they allow the option of weekly testing instead.
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