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re: My problem with the Trump wall: it's solving an imaginary problem

Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:29 pm to
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So close Powerputz so very close.


It's like a cat toying with a mouse at this point. The dude has nuttin
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26662 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:29 pm to
Powertool :rotflmao:
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:29 pm to
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Knowing the reason the numbers are going down isn't as important as first acknowledging that they are in fact going down
K

quote:

Many here are refusing to even do that
I didn't.

So

Wants to dodge questions for 3 pages. Then, responds with..........no answer.......but a question.

Nice try dude. Wanna Try again.

I think the below summarizes stuff some people have asked.
1. Why is 310K ok? Explain beyond quoting population.

2. What's driving the trend?

3. If you can't answer 2, how do you know the "trend" isn't merely a corollary to something else?

4. Absent knowing 2 or 3, do you think trends must continue? I'm sure there are others you've ducked. But, we can start there.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:30 pm to
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It's like a cat toying with a mouse at this point. The dude has nuttin


And what do you have exactly? I'd say nothing.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90315 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:31 pm to
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I'd say nothing.
No Powertool that would be your answers to substantive questions.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

And what do you have exactly?

I think the below summarizes stuff some people have asked.
1. Why is 310K ok? Explain beyond quoting population.

2. What's driving the trend?

3. If you can't answer 2, how do you know the "trend" isn't merely a corollary to something else?

4. Absent knowing 2 or 3, do you think trends must continue? I'm sure there are others you've ducked. But, we can start there.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157499 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:33 pm to
Should I throw in the towel on behalf of Powerbottom?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
166621 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:33 pm to
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Knowing the reason the numbers are going down isn't as important as first acknowledging that they are in fact going down

Many here are refusing to even do that

The numbers went down because the former President (as can be documented in numerous MSM news reports over the last 9 years) circumvented the immigration policy and laws.

The. federal.immigration laws.were.not.enforced.

The current President started enforcing them. Why are you dancing around this?
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42041 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:34 pm to
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Illegal border crossings in the year 2017 : 310,531


Only 310,531 last year

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:34 pm to
Actually, I need to add one.

Wants to dodge questions for 3 pages. Then, responds with..........no answer.......but a question.

Nice try dude. Wanna Try again.

I think the below summarizes stuff some people have asked.
1. Why is 310K ok? Explain beyond quoting population.

2. What's driving the trend?

3. If you can't answer 2, how do you know the "trend" isn't merely a corollary to something else?

4. Absent knowing 2 or 3, do you think trends must continue?

5. If a trend stops and reverses course over the course of a year, how does one know if the new trend will continue or if the longer term trend will take back over?

6. Bonus Question. If, instead of the trend continuing, we simply leveled off at the current number, does that count as "problem solved"? If so, why?
I'm sure there are others you've ducked. But, we can start there.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:35 pm to
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Why is 310K ok?

Because sometimes trends are more important than a fixed number?

quote:

What's driving the trend?

There are different theories

I would attribute a large portion of it due to

1. Less demand for their labor due to the existing undocumented work force

2. Population growth in Mexico declining
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90315 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:35 pm to
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Because sometimes trends are more important than a fixed number?

What a fricking idiotic statement.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Should I throw in the towel on behalf of Powerbottom?


Of course not. I'll help you out.

P'man is the kind of guy who, in a real fight, would finish with two broken arms, an inability to see and a chair leg sticking out of his arse and he'd still declare victory as you walked out of the ring.

I know how this goes. But it's still pretty funny to watch.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

P'man is the kind of guy who, in a real fight, would finish with two broken arms, an inability to see and a chair leg sticking out of his arse and he'd still declare victory as you walked out of the ring.

Says the fake mach man of the board
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:36 pm to
Almost man. Almost
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

What a fricking idiotic statement.
Dude must be a stock market playa!!!!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:38 pm to
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Almost man. Almost

Well give us the reasons you think

There are obviously multiple reasons

And after that perhaps you can tell us why you think it's logical or illogical for immigration to be the #1 campaign issue for Trump
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157499 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

Less demand for their labor due to the existing undocumented work force


Can you support that with a link because that doesn't make sense unless you contend that the US hasn't been growing over the years.
Posted by RightHook
Member since Dec 2013
5560 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Trump is trying to solve a problem that has already been solved.

Illegal border crossings in the year 2017 : 310,531


This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:42 pm to
quote:


1. Less demand for their labor due to the existing undocumented work force
A non permanent factor

quote:

2. Population growth in Mexico declining

Growing a nearly double the rate of the US.
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