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My new theory on the markets, tariffs, and where I think we end up

Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:53 pm
Posted by ryanthe4aces
Member since Oct 2012
35 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:53 pm
Hey everyone, I’ve got a theory on why the stock market’s been tanking since President Trump dropped those global tariffs, and why it’s actually a *good* thing in the long run. The S&P 500 was riding high, peaking around 6,100 with a crazy P/E ratio of 27, way above the historical norm of 15-17. That’s like the market was pricing stocks as if they were as safe as government bonds, betting Uncle Sam would swoop in with bailouts no matter what. But those tariffs threw a wrench in that fantasy, and now the market’s waking up. Instead of panicking, I think this is the start of a healthy reset that’ll make things better for all of us.

Here’s the deal: that sky-high P/E of 27 meant stocks were overvalued, with prices out of whack compared to what companies were actually earning. Investors got cocky, throwing cash at anything with a ticker symbol, assuming the government had their back. But tariffs mean higher costs and slimmer profits, and suddenly, nobody’s so sure about those bailouts. The market’s now scrambling to find a more realistic P/E, closer to the historical average of 15. This shakeout is painful, nobody likes seeing their portfolio bleed, but it’s like clearing out a cluttered garage. It forces money to flow to companies that deserve it, not just the ones riding the hype train.

Let’s break it down with some quick math to see where this might land. At its peak of ~6,100, the S&P 500 had a P/E of 27, which means earnings were about 226 (6,100 ÷ 27). If the market corrects to a P/E of 15, keeping those same earnings, the S&P would settle around 3,390 (226 × 15). That’s a big drop, about 44% from the top, but it’s not the end of the world. It’s the market getting back to reality, pricing stocks based on what companies actually produce instead of blind optimism. Sure, it stings now, but this kind of reset stops the bubble from growing until it pops way worse later.

Why’s this a win? Because a market with a sane P/E rewards good businesses, the ones innovating, growing, and delivering real value. Right now, too much cash is tied up in overpriced stocks that don’t justify their valuations. This correction, sparked by the tariff shock, is like hitting the refresh button. It’ll hurt short-term, no question, but long-term, it means capital goes where it’s most effective, building stronger companies and a healthier economy. So yeah, the market’s rough, but I’m betting this rebalance sets us up for something better.

What do you all think?
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
3669 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:57 pm to
I've seen five different theories on this website of why Trump's retarded actions are destroying the retirements of the middle class, and each theory is more idiotic than the one before.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
10263 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:03 pm to
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market with a sane P/E rewards good businesses, the ones innovating, growing, and delivering real value. Right now, too much cash is tied up in overpriced stocks that don’t justify their valuations


GTFOH with your logical, economically thoughtful questions! RABBLE RABBLE...
Posted by ryanthe4aces
Member since Oct 2012
35 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:03 pm to
Ya I think it sucks for those people. Does that mean we should just always have inflated PE values?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
77470 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:05 pm to
Old mentor told me be very leery of buying a stock with a PE above 18-20. That was late 80s timeframe.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9789 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:12 pm to
I just looked up GM and Ford stocks.

You would think that if Trump were right about the tariffs, then their stock prices would have gone through the roof. They are both down on the year...even though their P/E ratios are below 6.

If these tariff tactics are solely used for negotiating lower tariffs w/ other countries, I can kind of get it, but then that means he wasn't really serious about bringing manufacturing back here (which I think is way overblown anyway). If they aren't then this is just a giant clusterfrick.

Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
1459 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:13 pm to
The S&P was growing because of Biden dumping billions of tax dollars into nvidia and amd to prop up the market.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
10636 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:23 pm to
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Trump's retarded actions are destroying the retirements of the middle class,


How, exactly, are these retirements being destroyed? A temporary drop in value, which will eventually go back up? It's a paper loss only. Unless you are a dipshit and cash out in fear, taking your loss. Ride it out. You'll be fine.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1161 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:28 pm to
at his point no one knows

even fewer care, at least as much as some, Good Lord!

you'd think tariff opinion discussions are like a pin worm infestation at this point

get over it, or don't tell anyone and...welll

hope you feel better in 6 months, but give it a break

dr


Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
65904 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:53 pm to
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What do you all think?

I don't know......probably just throw it in the pile with the rest of the theories.
Posted by 904
Forever under I-10
Member since Dec 2009
947 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:58 pm to
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sky-high P/E of 27 meant stocks were overvalued


Not necessarily. The peaks and valleys of the S&P 500's average P/E ratio have only increased starting with the 90's in large-part due to technology advances making way for lower overhead.

27 is a higher, but not unreasonable value in today's world where tech giants lead the way.
Posted by cameronml
Member since Oct 2007
1932 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:03 pm to
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How, exactly, are these retirements being destroyed? A temporary drop in value, which will eventually go back up? It's a paper loss only. Unless you are a dipshit and cash out in fear, taking your loss. Ride it out. You'll be fine.


Japan’s market peaked around 1990, crashed, and didn’t reached that level again until last year. So no, markets don’t always go up.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78809 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:17 am to
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I've seen five different theories on this website of why Trump's retarded actions are destroying the retirements of the middle class


My retired parents haven’t lost any money.

That bidenflation was worse on them. It meant all their money they saved lost value much quicker than they saved it.

Posted by TigerV
Member since Feb 2007
2700 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:36 am to
Market crashes/corrections happen all the time, they just need a trigger. It was time and people have been waiting for this to happen, but the market was propped up by different policies. Trump propped it up in the past with ultra low interest rates and then Covid reset the market. Now it’s these tariffs, we can only hope this works and we do not get into a prolonged tariff war.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
13270 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:02 am to
It’s more of the perfect time to renegotiate trade deals.

Market is high and has room to absorb a dip.

The world as a whole pumped tons of fake money into economies during Covid so all are susceptible to long term trade war impact.

Inflation is just starting to come under control. So there is some room to absorb impacts of tariffs.

Interest rates are higher than they were a few years ago. So you have the tool to drop rates to help as the market slows down.

And every country is in this. We have trade defects with almost everyone. So it impacts them more.

Some will fold quickly. Some will be stubborn but will cave eventually.

We hold the cards. Why have been unfairly treated for too long.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
14408 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:08 am to
Good considerations for analysis. Will look for more thoughts on from you. If people stopped to consider the fact that we were at DOW 44,000 up from 4000 or so from just 15 years ago lows of mortgage bust and how was that even remotely possible with the earnings reports over the years along with the American lack of reasonable leadership that would’ve destroyed the economy for their globalization agenda then they should have considered maybe it was a falsehood. Panic works in buying and selling in that it creates its own risk in jumping into to quickly. Investing is key not trading
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:09 am to
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I've seen five different theories on this website of why Trump's retarded actions are destroying the retirements of the middle class, and each theory is more idiotic than the one before.


Don't worry, they'll keep coming, you can count on that.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7282 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:13 am to
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Trump's retarded actions are destroying the retirements of the middle class


lol

quote:

1. Stock Ownership by Wealth Tier
Top 10% of Wealthiest Americans: Own about 89% of all stocks (by value).

Top 1%: Own around 53% of stocks.

Middle Class (roughly 50th–90th percentile): Own about 10–12% of stocks.

Bottom 50% of Americans: Own less than 1% of stocks.

(Sources: Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances (SCF), NYU Stern School of Business, and other economic analyses.)
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:15 am to
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1. Stock Ownership by Wealth Tier
Top 10% of Wealthiest Americans: Own about 89% of all stocks (by value).

Top 1%: Own around 53% of stocks.

Middle Class (roughly 50th–90th percentile): Own about 10–12% of stocks.

Bottom 50% of Americans: Own less than 1% of stocks.

(Sources: Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances (SCF), NYU Stern School of Business, and other economic analyses.)


Now do the prcentage of the middle class who own stocks.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:19 am to
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A temporary drop in value, which will eventually go back up? I


If the market sits stagnant for a year, is your rate of return the same?

Are you gaining more than youre contributing?

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