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re: My experience with "normies", is they are basically hopeless and will reject the red pill
Posted on 7/27/23 at 11:46 am to Decatur
Posted on 7/27/23 at 11:46 am to Decatur
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Does “red-pilled” translate to “brain-scrambled”? That’s what it sounds like.
That is kind of the issue with postmodern "Red pill" status. Lots of overlap with "fricking clown shoes" and "bat shite crazy".
It wasn't always this way. Just another term co-opted.
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 11:47 am to bird35
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I pointed out our Government is pushing electric cars because China wants America to move to electric because China owns most of the World’s lithium. And China pays America politicians to push electric.
They were unable to take that step.
For good reason
Posted on 7/27/23 at 11:50 am to Ten Bears
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Isn't that the same tax plan that DeSantis supported that Trump is now shiititng on for, claiming he wants to raise taxes by 23%?
Yep, Ron DeSalesTax
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:18 pm to VoxDawg
I like this idea, betting most who oppose it are somehow compromised or just are in a "blissful state"
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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For good reason
SFP
I asked this to someone else, but help me out with these questions:
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Do you trust the state?
And if you do, what is it about the state that has earned your trust?
Do you believe it is possible for the state to be corrupt?
Do you believe if the state was corrupt, you would be able to recognize the corruption and call it out?
Do you believe if the state was corrupt, there is a mechanism to reign it back in? And if so, what is or should that process be?
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:29 pm to Decatur
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I don’t think I need to spend any time justifying the federal income tax and its enforcement agency. It’s that basic
The government spends money at an incredible rate compared to how much it brings in.
Why do we need an income tax?
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:29 pm to Decatur
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I don’t think I need to spend any time justifying the federal income tax and its enforcement agency. It’s that basic.
This is a clear sign you have not given it any thought. The government needs money to operate. For the first century and a half, the money came mainly from tariffs - not income. I thought you leftists prided yourselves in thinking outside the box. Now you seem to be like lemmings that all jump to the sound of an authoritative voice. Adolph loved people like you.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:30 pm to Geauxgurt
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Or perhaps they understand the stupid idea of abolishing the IRS entirely will not do what you think. The IRS has issues, but tax collection is a necessity for infrastructure. You are as ignorant and naïve as the other extreme of people pushing for more entitlements.
Whoa hoss….the federal government has been strong arming taxes from the American people for over 100 years and the federal debt is $32 trillion and counting….it seems we have a chronic problem with irresponsible politicians squandering our hard earned taxes.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:31 pm to Ten Bears
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Isn't that the same tax plan that DeSantis supported that Trump is now shiititng on for, claiming he wants to raise taxes by 23%?
It is, and I push back on social media each time he does.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:40 pm to bird35
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that would be treason
Right up there in the Normie Hall of Fame with "If all this stuff were really happening, it would be all over the news."
Posted on 7/27/23 at 1:00 pm to Geauxgurt
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Geauxgurt
Youre exactly who he is talking about
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The Treasury Department has a rich history. The 1789 Act of Congress established the department
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1862 - President Lincoln signed into law a revenue-raising measure to help pay for Civil War expenses. The measure created a Commissioner of Internal Revenue and the nation's first income tax.
The nation survived for 73 years without the IRS. It can do it again. And the cherry on top was the IRS was formed to support a war against its own citizens. The war against its citizens continues to this day. They recently added 87,000 agents to keep the war effort going
But of course you knew that. And thats still OK with you
Posted on 7/27/23 at 1:27 pm to RobbBobb
And once the 16A was signed, it was under the premise that the income tax would go away after WWI.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 1:35 pm to burger bearcat
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Do you trust the state?
No.
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Do you believe if the state was corrupt, you would be able to recognize the corruption and call it out?
Yes.
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Do you believe if the state was corrupt, there is a mechanism to reign it back in? A
Not really. The ballot box, theoretically, but everything is corrupted and hyper-polar and partisan these days, so that's not accepted as legitimate (and any response would be seen as partisan by the pole out of power and legitimate as the pole in power).
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And if so, what is or should that process be?
Nothing will work until the lunatic fringe on both sides being manipulated into an in/out conflict pushing extremism calm the frick down and relax and we get more moderation and a normal cultural ebb and flow again.
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/27/23 at 1:38 pm to VoxDawg
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And once the 16A was signed, it was under the premise that the income tax would go away after WWI.
I'm sure you have some legitimate legislative history on this.
16A was passed before we were even in WW1.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 1:39 pm to Geauxgurt
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Or perhaps they understand the stupid idea of abolishing the IRS entirely will not do what you think. The IRS has issues, but tax collection is a necessity for infrastructure.
Income and property taxes are morally wrong.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 1:41 pm to Decatur
Yea but how about you justify it anyway and lets see what you come up with.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Nothing will work until the lunatic fringe on both sides being manipulated into an in/out conflict pushing extremism calm the frick down and relax and we get more moderation and a normal cultural ebb and flow again.
Ok. Then you probably agree with me on the need for subsidiary and much more localism/federalism type governance?
Do you not recognize that much of the "extremism" on both sides you reference, is mostly created because of lack of transparency and lack of direct control in the process of how people should be governed? This can only truly be achieved at a very local level.
Wouldn't smaller, more powerful communities spread across the country allow for that pressure to be relieved, instead of a centralized control in DC? Or even more so, what is being pushed for a more global governance?
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/27/23 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm sorry, Teacher. Should I have included that the Income Tax act of 1916 raised the rates, followed by the War Revenue Act of 1917 expanded the income tax as ratified in 1913?
The Federal Government broke promises that core tenets of the income tax that were supposed to be temporary, particularly those leading up to our participation in WWI.
The Federal Government broke promises that core tenets of the income tax that were supposed to be temporary, particularly those leading up to our participation in WWI.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 3:01 pm to VoxDawg
The only problem with a national sales tax is that once it is implemented they will later reimpose an income tax on top and now we are double taxed. Just look at state governments. We have income tax, sales tax, property tax, ad volurum, fees, inheritance taxes, etc.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 3:04 pm to burger bearcat
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When I suggested the IRS and federal income tax should basically be abolished, they all looked at me like I was crazy, and said "how would we fund the military". These were all generally center-right Republican men.
now you sound like a libertarian, well you sound like a democrat wanting more taxes. Been there.
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