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Mortgage Backed Securities go “no-bid”

Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:10 pm
Most of you will recognize MBS as the drivers for the great recession.

They are basically a bunch of mortgages bundled into a product which investors buy. When enough of the mortgages in the MBS go unpaid, it becomes a toxic asset. These toxic assets were sold for less than a penny on the dollar during tGR.

Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.

Buyers have signaled that they’re no longer worth the investment at this yield. If investors don’t want the MBSs, banks have to hold individual mortgages longer. Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.

Here’s an article on it from Zero Hedge:
When your car hits a telephone pole, no problem. Then, after a slight lag, trouble comes when you hit the inside of your car. Same thing in football: helmet on helmet is all-okay... until your brain hits the inside of your skull.

The same physics govern housing collisions with mortgages. At the new year mortgages were still three-ish. In February, four. At the end of March, five. May, five-and-a-half. Historically, a two-percentage-point rise from cyclical trough has iced housing, the freeze underway a month ago. Now up by three points, and double January.

The pause in housing between the first collision and second is elongated because of human nature. Someone desperate to buy a house is still desperate, and modestly relieved to buy even at a higher price and rate so long as not forced into an unlimited auction. Now it’s time for Wile E. Coyote in his Acme sneakers, running off into thin air and all okay until he looks down.

Looking down... MBS are such a weird market that other markets have not processed what is happening. Stocks are down 2% today, but would be down a hell of a lot more if considering what a full-stop to housing will mean.

Another marker of MBS distress: the 10-year T-note had held 3.00% since April, the important top in 2012 and 2018. Trading 3.05% yesterday, now 3.20% -- retail mortgages jumped triple that amount. The 10s/mortgages spread today is almost 300bps and double the 10s’ yield. Inconceivable. The Fed telltale 2-year T-note had held 2.70% since April, 2.85% yesterday, today 3.05% adding only one more .25% hike to the 2-cast, which is not enough to explain MBS overnight.

Continued on Zero Hedge

This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Nathan Hail
Part of a Vast Network
Member since May 2022
653 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:15 pm to
people ain't got no time for all that. need something fed to them so they can make more emotional decisions to their own detriment.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118782 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:17 pm to
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Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.


So who is left holding the bag?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95527 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:22 pm to
Depends on whether the holders of the current bad debt are politically in favor.


Lehman Brothers took the hit in 208 for an industry which had unsustainable lending practices going back decades due to political pressure.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:25 pm to
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So who is left holding the bag?


Banks

Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.

This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95527 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:28 pm to
Government loans (FHA, veteran, etc) are a huge chunk of loans and tend to have a lot of the more questionable borrowers in part due to a lack of down payment required.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:29 pm to
This is true.
But it was also true in 2007.

Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
4429 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:38 pm to
In short, we're royally screwed and this recession/depression will make 2008/2009 look like an upturn.

ETA: FJB
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:02 pm to
All the folks who overpaid for houses the last 3 years are about to get kicked in the nuts.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80246 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Buyers have signaled that they’re no longer worth the investment at this yield. If investors don’t want the MBSs, banks have to hold individual mortgages longer. Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.


This is perfectly fine and part of the cyclical nature of markets. It needs to happen.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118782 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

This is perfectly fine and part of the cyclical nature of markets. It needs to happen.



You sound like Ron Paul.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46102 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.


So who is left holding the bag?


Who’s holding the bag? Who got stuck with the irresponsible financial behavior during the financial and real estate meltdown in 2008/2009? Ultimately the prudent and responsible citizenry pays the price for reckless monetary/banking policies.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:31 pm to
Too big to fail!!!!
Posted by midnight_chopper
Member since Mar 2018
637 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Who’s holding the bag? Who got stuck with the irresponsible financial behavior during the financial and real estate meltdown in 2008/2009? Ultimately the prudent and responsible citizenry pays the price for reckless monetary/banking policies.


I, for one, am shocked that the banks did not learn their lesson from the previous housing bubble.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6505 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:41 pm to
Individual home buyers will be screwed , but nothing will happen to the banks. They’ll just get another bailout and they know it.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6505 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

I, for one, am shocked that the banks did not learn their lesson from the previous housing bubble


But they DID learn their lesson; they can do whatever the frick they want, and Washington will bail them out.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79123 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

I, for one, am shocked that the banks did not learn their lesson from the previous housing bubble.


Why should they have? They have a favorable President in office who inevitably will bail them out. Just like his predecessor 8 years ago.

They can continue to leverage bad loans on top of bad loans and still win. Our regulators suck for the average joe
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27517 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:34 pm to
FHA loans are all insured to 70% LTV as a risk they are pretty low and you have to have some money in the game. Now, VA loans....
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

In short, we're royally screwed and this recession/depression will make 2008/2009 look like an upturn.

ETA: FJB


Only positive is if it breaks that ESG garbage for good. Stop forcing banks into faux political social justice engineering. Go to the basics...loans to people who are worthy.

Won't happen, but would be nice if there were leaders in the Right that had the nuts to truly do something not just whine about it.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:59 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57249 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 7:15 pm to
Time for the Fed to start buying again. Remember when they said “it will be temporary”?

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