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Mortgage Backed Securities go “no-bid”
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:10 pm
Most of you will recognize MBS as the drivers for the great recession.
They are basically a bunch of mortgages bundled into a product which investors buy. When enough of the mortgages in the MBS go unpaid, it becomes a toxic asset. These toxic assets were sold for less than a penny on the dollar during tGR.
Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.
Buyers have signaled that they’re no longer worth the investment at this yield. If investors don’t want the MBSs, banks have to hold individual mortgages longer. Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.
Here’s an article on it from Zero Hedge:
When your car hits a telephone pole, no problem. Then, after a slight lag, trouble comes when you hit the inside of your car. Same thing in football: helmet on helmet is all-okay... until your brain hits the inside of your skull.
The same physics govern housing collisions with mortgages. At the new year mortgages were still three-ish. In February, four. At the end of March, five. May, five-and-a-half. Historically, a two-percentage-point rise from cyclical trough has iced housing, the freeze underway a month ago. Now up by three points, and double January.
The pause in housing between the first collision and second is elongated because of human nature. Someone desperate to buy a house is still desperate, and modestly relieved to buy even at a higher price and rate so long as not forced into an unlimited auction. Now it’s time for Wile E. Coyote in his Acme sneakers, running off into thin air and all okay until he looks down.
Looking down... MBS are such a weird market that other markets have not processed what is happening. Stocks are down 2% today, but would be down a hell of a lot more if considering what a full-stop to housing will mean.
Another marker of MBS distress: the 10-year T-note had held 3.00% since April, the important top in 2012 and 2018. Trading 3.05% yesterday, now 3.20% -- retail mortgages jumped triple that amount. The 10s/mortgages spread today is almost 300bps and double the 10s’ yield. Inconceivable. The Fed telltale 2-year T-note had held 2.70% since April, 2.85% yesterday, today 3.05% adding only one more .25% hike to the 2-cast, which is not enough to explain MBS overnight.
Continued on Zero Hedge
They are basically a bunch of mortgages bundled into a product which investors buy. When enough of the mortgages in the MBS go unpaid, it becomes a toxic asset. These toxic assets were sold for less than a penny on the dollar during tGR.
Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.
Buyers have signaled that they’re no longer worth the investment at this yield. If investors don’t want the MBSs, banks have to hold individual mortgages longer. Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.
Here’s an article on it from Zero Hedge:
When your car hits a telephone pole, no problem. Then, after a slight lag, trouble comes when you hit the inside of your car. Same thing in football: helmet on helmet is all-okay... until your brain hits the inside of your skull.
The same physics govern housing collisions with mortgages. At the new year mortgages were still three-ish. In February, four. At the end of March, five. May, five-and-a-half. Historically, a two-percentage-point rise from cyclical trough has iced housing, the freeze underway a month ago. Now up by three points, and double January.
The pause in housing between the first collision and second is elongated because of human nature. Someone desperate to buy a house is still desperate, and modestly relieved to buy even at a higher price and rate so long as not forced into an unlimited auction. Now it’s time for Wile E. Coyote in his Acme sneakers, running off into thin air and all okay until he looks down.
Looking down... MBS are such a weird market that other markets have not processed what is happening. Stocks are down 2% today, but would be down a hell of a lot more if considering what a full-stop to housing will mean.
Another marker of MBS distress: the 10-year T-note had held 3.00% since April, the important top in 2012 and 2018. Trading 3.05% yesterday, now 3.20% -- retail mortgages jumped triple that amount. The 10s/mortgages spread today is almost 300bps and double the 10s’ yield. Inconceivable. The Fed telltale 2-year T-note had held 2.70% since April, 2.85% yesterday, today 3.05% adding only one more .25% hike to the 2-cast, which is not enough to explain MBS overnight.
Continued on Zero Hedge
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:15 pm to Eli Goldfinger
people ain't got no time for all that. need something fed to them so they can make more emotional decisions to their own detriment.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:17 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.
So who is left holding the bag?
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:22 pm to GumboPot
Depends on whether the holders of the current bad debt are politically in favor.
Lehman Brothers took the hit in 208 for an industry which had unsustainable lending practices going back decades due to political pressure.
Lehman Brothers took the hit in 208 for an industry which had unsustainable lending practices going back decades due to political pressure.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:25 pm to GumboPot
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So who is left holding the bag?
Banks
Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:28 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Government loans (FHA, veteran, etc) are a huge chunk of loans and tend to have a lot of the more questionable borrowers in part due to a lack of down payment required.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:29 pm to teke184
This is true.
But it was also true in 2007.
But it was also true in 2007.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:38 pm to Eli Goldfinger
In short, we're royally screwed and this recession/depression will make 2008/2009 look like an upturn.
ETA: FJB
ETA: FJB
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:02 pm to salty1
All the folks who overpaid for houses the last 3 years are about to get kicked in the nuts.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:04 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Buyers have signaled that they’re no longer worth the investment at this yield. If investors don’t want the MBSs, banks have to hold individual mortgages longer. Banks don’t want to hold mortgages, so the lack of investors buying them will cause banks to be much more careful with their loans. If banks make getting approval difficult, liquidity dries up…then housing demand dries up…then housing prices fall, which is most of our on-paper money.
This is perfectly fine and part of the cyclical nature of markets. It needs to happen.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:06 pm to boosiebadazz
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This is perfectly fine and part of the cyclical nature of markets. It needs to happen.
You sound like Ron Paul.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:27 pm to GumboPot
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Well…it seems that MBSs no longer have any interest to investors.
So who is left holding the bag?
Who’s holding the bag? Who got stuck with the irresponsible financial behavior during the financial and real estate meltdown in 2008/2009? Ultimately the prudent and responsible citizenry pays the price for reckless monetary/banking policies.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:40 pm to Bass Tiger
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Who’s holding the bag? Who got stuck with the irresponsible financial behavior during the financial and real estate meltdown in 2008/2009? Ultimately the prudent and responsible citizenry pays the price for reckless monetary/banking policies.
I, for one, am shocked that the banks did not learn their lesson from the previous housing bubble.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:41 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Individual home buyers will be screwed , but nothing will happen to the banks. They’ll just get another bailout and they know it.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:44 pm to midnight_chopper
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I, for one, am shocked that the banks did not learn their lesson from the previous housing bubble
But they DID learn their lesson; they can do whatever the frick they want, and Washington will bail them out.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:57 pm to midnight_chopper
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I, for one, am shocked that the banks did not learn their lesson from the previous housing bubble.
Why should they have? They have a favorable President in office who inevitably will bail them out. Just like his predecessor 8 years ago.
They can continue to leverage bad loans on top of bad loans and still win. Our regulators suck for the average joe
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:34 pm to teke184
FHA loans are all insured to 70% LTV as a risk they are pretty low and you have to have some money in the game. Now, VA loans....
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:58 pm to salty1
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In short, we're royally screwed and this recession/depression will make 2008/2009 look like an upturn.
ETA: FJB
Only positive is if it breaks that ESG garbage for good. Stop forcing banks into faux political social justice engineering. Go to the basics...loans to people who are worthy.
Won't happen, but would be nice if there were leaders in the Right that had the nuts to truly do something not just whine about it.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 7:15 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Time for the Fed to start buying again. Remember when they said “it will be temporary”?
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