re: More damn tariffs coming…..is djt trying to throw the midterms

If history is any indication, he’ll totally reverse course and drop the tariffs in 2-3 weeks

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says who?

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Only about 56% of the American public.

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Oh no we’re gonna lose the majority that does nothing for Trump.

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As far as I can tell, the GOP works against the MAGA Movement and against Trump, but they try to hide it.

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Well at least the people bitching about tariffs would have to pay taxes too.

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They already do pay taxes.

Why is a tariff a legit tax in your mind but sales tax and property taxes aren't?

If you want everyone to pay income taxes, then everybody needs to pay income taxes. Forget about any other types of taxes.

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In part because we’ve imported mass populations of unskilled labor which depresses wages.

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The vast majority of them aren't going anywhere, either.

Even according to Trump's reported numbers (which every independent estimate I can find says are more or less inflated) we're only on pace to kick out maybe 9-10 million by the time Trump leaves office, which would mean that we'd still have a net gain since 2020.

That average factory worker salary was established before Biden took office.

So I'm not sure why you think it would go up if you think illegals are the main driver of it.

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when the wages increase to a level that exceeds what someone would make at Taco Bell they’ll have people out the door.

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For the record, Taco Bell is more like a $13-$14 an hour job. But again, what makes you think they are going to go up?

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If we get people making $25/hr plus health care instead of working uber while getting unemployment and sitting on public healthcare the net impact will be incredible.

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If it started costing $25 an hour plus health INSURANCE (fify) to make the same products a company is making to day for $17 and no health INSURANCE, why do you not understand that prices would simply go up and the net gain in salary would simply be absorbed by the higher prices? Or if we're only talking about a narrow band of industries, then you're talking about redistribution of wealth just as much as you are with people taking welfare. The government artificially causes prices to go up for all Americans so that a few Americans can make $8 more an hour. It's a wealth redistribution program.

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Shifting people from assistance to neutral alone is a win.

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Why would you think that would happen? Unemployment is 4.3%. It's considered "full employment." We're not in a Great Depression situation where millions of people are just sitting around waiting for jobs to be available. Yeah, people are on welfare. And the same people will choose to be on it even in your fantasy scenario.

Plus, just how many factory jobs do you think could potentially be added? 30 million?

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The vast majority of them aren't going anywhere, either.

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I’m in favor of mass deportations, talk to Trump I guess?

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So I'm not sure why you think it would go up if you think illegals are the main driver of it.

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Because virtually no additional illegals are coming in and we’re going to be adding jobs.

Additional demand in the face of neutral worker supply = increased wages.

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For the record, Taco Bell is more like a $13-$14 an hour job.

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Where I live they pay $18+. Point is if the businesses want to attract talent they will have to outcompete menial job salaries to do so.

They didn’t want to so they got the chamber of commerce to backdoor illegal immigration which drove wages down.

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So I'm not sure why you think it would go up if you think illegals are the main driver of it.

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Again, we are adding major industrial jobs due to onshoring. Flat worker supply in the face of increased demand for workers means wages will go up, that’s basic economics.

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If it started costing $25 an hour plus health INSURANCE (fify) to make the same products a company is making to day for $17 and no health INSURANCE, why do you not understand that prices would simply go up and the net gain in salary would simply be absorbed by the higher prices?

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They will go up somewhat. What all the data has shown however is that as wage costs go up due to onshoring some of those costs are absorbed by the businesses and not all go to the consumer.

And even if it was a 1:1 relationship which it isn’t, if more Americans can afford to purchase things because we have primary jobs and additional businesses paying taxes domestically that’s still a massive improvement over where we are currently.

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Or if we're only talking about a narrow band of industries, then you're talking about redistribution of wealth just as much as you are with people taking welfare. The government artificially causes prices to go up for all Americans so that a few Americans can make $8 more an hour. It's a wealth redistribution program.

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This is nonsensical. The Trump tariffs are protectionist but there’s no wealth redistribution going on.

If anything we will be forcing more people to actually work which means they won’t be receiving federal or state benefits which would mean LESS wealth redistribution.

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Why would you think that would happen? Unemployment is 4.3%. It's considered "full employment."

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Right. Based on how they calculate “employment”. Which is of course a total fairy tale.

The labor force participation rate is the percentage of the population aged 16 and over that is either employed or actively seeking work. As of February 2026, this rate in the United States is 62.0%. That means that even factoring in moms that don’t work and excluding students a huge population just doesn’t do anything and are net consumers of federal money rather than producers of taxes.

If they’re pushed back into the workforce and the percentage of Americans who actually pay taxes goes up we’re massively ahead of where we were.

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We're not in a Great Depression situation where millions of people are just sitting around waiting for jobs to be available.

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Again, look at the labor participation element. Until you can fathom the difference between the group actively seeking a job and the group that aren’t and how big that is we’re going to talk past each other.

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Plus, just how many factory jobs do you think could potentially be added? 30 million?

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I have no idea. I do know that somewhere between $9-$17 trillion dollars of US investment is happening as we speak.

I would expect a large number of jobs to be generated as $10-$17T in new plants and infrastructure are built and a significant number of jobs to follow when the plants open.

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Or more accurately, you could have said, "Yeah, I could, but then I'd ifhave to admit facts inconvenient to my position, so I'm going to try to distract from that."

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So very predictable. So who determines whether my answers to your questions are right or wrong? Let me guess, you??

You’re thinking you’re gonna dunk on people if they don’t come up with what you think are the correct answers to your own questions. This schtick is too flawed to give legitimate attention to, all due respect.

Or maybe it really is that you’re on such a higher intellectual plane that I can’t come up with any words to even answer with. I’m sure that’ll go over nicely for you. Just be sure not to concern yourself with what everyone else thinks.

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If history is any indication he should do opposite of what you suggest

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He should continue to do the opposite of what he campaigned on?

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Then tell me the strategy of the tariffs.

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Control currency manipulation as well as manufacturing manipulation.

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What leverage

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If no leverage was created you wouldn’t have the filth and its CCP allies along with the EU melting down about tariffs.