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re: Mohammad Ali a draft dodger?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:55 am to scrooster
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:55 am to scrooster
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I have long considered him a one of a kind human being.
This is my take-away from what I know of his life.
I do not recall a moment when I thought otherwise.
Honesty is all I can ask of anyone - and he appeared completely honest to me. (and at this point, I don't even want to know otherwise - whether he was a devil or a saint makes no difference to anything other than his family - I choose the favorable memory)
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:02 am to Wolfhound45
right as usual.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:09 am to NC_Tigah
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Without Ali, would LBJ have taken that action? Who knows. But tossing Ali in a pot with coward draft dodgers is not fair at all IMO
Ali was never a good person. He treated women with utter disrespect and was terrible to others. Never showed much real concern for his religion at all. And slipping out of the draft so some poor other black guy could go isn’t courage.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:10 am to scrooster
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He was the Barrack Obama of his day really
Come on, don't insult the man....
Love him or hate him, Ali was a self-made man who worked incredibly hard and always had skin in the game, IOW, the complete opposite of Obama....
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:13 am to NC_Tigah
Elvis was drafted and served his country with pride. Ali is a disgrace.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:14 am to TheHarper
Cassius Clay was a great boxer. An amazing athlete. As amazing as he was, Joe Frazier was the only guy to ever knock him down. What a devestating punch. Mike Tyson would have been impressed. That was the glory days of heavyweight boxing. George Foreman was always (and still is) my favorite.
Heck I don't even know who the current heavyweight champion of world is. Do we even have one? Boxing has been taken over by this Pay-Per-View b/s. Priced the average fan right out of the sport.
Heck I don't even know who the current heavyweight champion of world is. Do we even have one? Boxing has been taken over by this Pay-Per-View b/s. Priced the average fan right out of the sport.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 7:21 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:17 am to GeorgePaton
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Heck I don't even know who the current heavyweight champion of world is. Do we even have one?
Andy Ruiz, Jr.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:20 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Andy Ruiz, Jr.
At best the 4th best heavyweight. If Joshua doesn't correct this error he needs to retire.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:22 am to TheHarper
Everything Cassius Clay ever did was what was best for Cassius Clay's ego, even his conversion to Islam.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:22 am to ChineseBandit58
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Boxing - especially at that time - was a sport with rules and willing participation.
Where a wrong punch at the wrong time could possibly end a man's life. Clay could have easily served in a noncombatant assignment if he would have pressed the issue don't you think, taking into account his notoriety at the time? And it's not a silly comparison of violence between killing a man and whipping his arse with your fists. I just don't understand how a man espouses peace yet gets enjoyment of beating on another man with his fists. There is definitely a thread of violence somewhere in his soul, imo.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:28 am to TheHarper
Yes
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:31 am to TheHarper
Of course he is. He was a darling of the left wasn't he.
The left doesn't make heroes of those who fight for the country, unless they desert. Bergdahl!
The left doesn't make heroes of those who fight for the country, unless they desert. Bergdahl!
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:36 am to NikolaiJakov
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At best the 4th best heavyweight. If Joshua doesn't correct this error he needs to retire.
He's the unified champ, man. He put a whooping on Joshua, I'll root for Ruiz in the rematch.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:37 am to NikolaiJakov
The praise for Ali from “patriots” and how people hold him and his views on a pedestal as one of the biggest head scratchers of all time!! Everything he did and stood for, was the “beginning” of what we have now... thanks for playing right in to the scam people
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:45 am to GeorgePaton
Not true. Besides Frazier, Ali was knocked down by Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, and Chuck Wepner.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:52 am to Roaad
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Anyone who could look at the life of Ali and conclude he was anything OTHER than fully and truly courageous, is not someone worth listening to. . .
He was a POS human.
Anyone who could treat Joe Frazier the way he did, after Frazier risked his own career to give Ali a shot and get him back in boxing. That's a person with no honor. Just a big-mouthed self promoting showman.
But hey, half the country thinks we need to get back to "honest" newsmen like Walter Cronkite
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 7:55 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:02 am to Vecchio Cane
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He was a POS human.
Agree.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:03 am to TheHarper
"Champ, what did you think of Africa?" Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!"
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:34 am to TheHarper
Ali did no wrong in that regard, IMHO.
He did pay a heavy professional price for his action, so, in hindsight, it was a bad professional move. It hurt his boxing career.
He did pay a heavy professional price for his action, so, in hindsight, it was a bad professional move. It hurt his boxing career.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:35 am to NC_Tigah
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But tossing Ali in a pot with coward draft dodgers is not fair at all IMO.
This, x 1,000.
Ali didn't run off to Canada. He sought to use the laws afforded to him and any other person seeking conscientious objector status, and he worked through the court system to get a resolution.
Here is perhaps his most famous comment on the subject:
"“Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would cost me millions of dollars. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality. If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail, so what? We’ve been in jail for 400 years.”
Ali refused to be drafted in 1966, not 2019. His question about why he should be required to sacrifice his life in Viet Nam when he didn't enjoy basic freedoms at home was valid.
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