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re: Minnesota Shooter: Let's Wait for the Facts

Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:31 pm to
I am glad you find your reputation enjoyable.

Congrats.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:40 pm to
As with many shooters… we may be trying to rationalize an irrational man

Seems he may simply be messy in his politics and governed by irrational anger instead of party politics
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:47 pm to
The board tries to blame LeFtiStS, dEmS, and LiBS for this insanity when it’s extremely clear that the shooter is simply mentally ill 99% off the time. It’s not sexy but that’s the reality.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7936 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:49 pm to
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Are we just ignoring that the Governor's Workforce Development Board is a bipartisan board that has always included both Republicans and Democrats?


Have you bothered to look up the people on the board?

So Far:

DeLinda Washington*, Vice Chair
Sr. Vice President & Chief People Officer
Health Partners, Inc.

(Modern Healthcare has recognized Senior Vice President and Chief People Officer DeLinda Washington as a Top Diversity Leader in Healthcare.)

(Business People: HealthPartners’ DeLinda Washington honored for diversity efforts)


Naveen Aggarwal*
Founder and Owner
Kiddie School of Maple Grove

(
Board Member
Minnesota Emerging Entrepreneur BoardMinnesota Emerging Entrepreneur BoardJul 2023 - Present · 2 yrsJul 2023 to Present · 2 yrsSt Paul, Minnesota, United StatesSt Paul, Minnesota, United States

The Minnesota Emerging Entrepreneur Program is established to provide grants to nonprofit corporations to fund loans to businesses owned by minority or low-income persons, women,)



Hannah Alstead*
Political and Labor Director
Teamsters Joint Local 32

Alstead is also the Political and Labor Director for Teamsters Joint Council 32 representing 75,000 union members across Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa
Cathy Garrett has become an experienced and effective union messenger by now. The 16-year veteran paraprofessional at Hopkins High School has long been an active member of her union SEIU Local 284, door-knocking and phone-banking for Democrats during election season.

That is only 3 and I will keep looking but none so far even have a hint of being conservative.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:50 pm to
Go to the other thread I already put the site through ChatGPT and it gave me the parties
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467076 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:51 pm to
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The board tries to blame LeFtiStS, dEmS, and LiBS for this insanity when it’s extremely clear that the shooter is simply mentally ill 99% off the time. It’s not sexy but that’s the reality.


I have been called a "leftist" and accused of defending Leftist killers for pointing this out.

You can tell their arguments trying to turn this one into a leftist are dying now that they're pivoting to the "well he's not a REAL Christian" and "clearly he's crazy and that's what matters most" stances
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21876 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:52 pm to
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First leftist scumbag I have heard of who was pro life and against multiple genders.

Really? You might be buying the media narrative about both issues too much. There are a lot of open border, anti-gun rights, the weather is going to kill us if racist cops don't first, pro-big government nanny state liberals that aren't down with abortion or men in girls bathrooms.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7936 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:57 pm to
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He and his wife have been affiliated with the governor which is a leftist lunatic


Standard SFP bs...he is losing the argument that he is a democrat so he goes to extreme leftist to cover his base because finding that absolute proof is an argument he will be able to argue against for another 10 pages.

Forget that his business is potential usaid funded or that he is affiliated with waltz an avowed nutjob leftist...those are just circumstantial ... sheesh
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467076 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:59 pm to
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he is losing the argument that he is a democrat

a. That's never been an argument I've been involved in

b. I'm not losing anything. I've posted copious amounts of evidence that he's not a Leftist with literally ZERO supporting him being a leftist.

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so he goes to extreme leftist to cover his base

Check my language. My point has been clear and without any change.

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Forget that his business is potential usaid funded

Data Republican could find no such association. Where are you getting this argument from?

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or that he is affiliated with waltz

He was appointed to a bipartisan board by the governor prior to Walz

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those are just circumstantial ... sheesh

Calling them circumstantial is being kind.

And we can compare it so his overtly conservative beliefs, his list containing Democrat and abortion-related victims, etc. and the evidence is completely on one side of the argument.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 2:00 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59278 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:02 pm to
I don’t understand the fixation on every single event and issue being a left vs right thing. I just don’t see any benefit or appeal to that type of rhetoric.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467076 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:03 pm to
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I don’t understand the fixation on every single event and issue being a left vs right thing.


I have a term for it: partisan brain rot.

It's about highly reinforced in/out group dynamics that you see more often as people become isolated and polar in their beliefs.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9025 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:08 pm to
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Really? You might be buying the media narrative about both issues too much. There are a lot of open border, anti-gun rights, the weather is going to kill us if racist cops don't first, pro-big government nanny state liberals that aren't down with abortion or men in girls bathrooms.


Can you name one, just one?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59278 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:09 pm to
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as people become isolated and polar in their beliefs.


Well, that tracks.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170755 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:11 pm to
This is most of this board

Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7936 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:18 pm to
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He was appointed to a bipartisan board by the governor prior to Walz


Can you not admit that the governor before waltz was a liberal democrat?

Can you not admit that, absent the 2 people you mentioned, being in the House and Senate, are virtually the only 2 possible republicans on the board.

Statistically, at the present time, I would think about 50% of the democrat party would be classified as liberal and leftist. It is intellectual dishonesty to suggest otherwise.

The guy is almost certainly a democrat, appointed by 2 democrats to a board that is also connected with the vast majority of board members involved in DEI types of business or other democrat business.

I do not pretend to know the reason for the actual killings but to tie anything to "republican" is just not supported by facts.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21876 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:20 pm to
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Can you name one, just one?

Yeah, I can - Henry Cuellar holds many liberal Dem positions (as well as a Dem seat in the House) but is anti-abortion and anti-men in girls bathrooms.

Do you think there are no conservatives that are pro-choice or against capital punishment or not for gun control?

Whoever has you convinced it's a monolithic Left and a monolithic Right has you fooled.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170755 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:21 pm to
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Can you not admit that the governor before waltz was a liberal democrat?

If it's a bipartisan board it doesn't matter

The obsession with wanting this guy to be a dem is beyond stupid
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467076 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:22 pm to
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The guy is almost certainly a democrat,

I'm not talking about that. He's clearly not Leftist.

Again

Evangelical Christian
Anti-abortion
Anti-trans

Statistically, how many "Leftists" fit that profile?

Then we can add:

His "kill list" was all Democrats, abortion activists, and abortion providers. LINK

And he home schools his children.

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but to tie anything to "republican" is just not supported by facts.

There are a lot more facts that support he was conservative-leaning at worst. It's been reported he registered as republican, too.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Again, there's literally no evidence he's a leftist.


And again I’ll ask, how many MAGA types did Walz appoint to this governor’s board?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467076 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Yeah, I can - Henry Cuellar

Catholic

Not Evangelical Christian.
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