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re: Military Service Men & Women...Is What Vindman Did Wrong?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:00 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:00 pm to LuckyTiger
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What would be the proper course of action in such a scenario? Did he follow it?
Chain of command.
Which he didn't do.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:05 pm to LuckyTiger
Hell yes! No doubt vindman was promoted from Captain to Major... and then Major to LTC under Obama. He is a leftist political hack that sucked up to Barry’s goons.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:10 pm to BuckyCheese
This would be the easiest 15-6 ever. As you have Vindman on video testifying under oath specifying in detail how he mishandled classified information, failed to use his chain of command, and admitted to actively subverting command intent. Each of those are open and shut. If the investigator can prove it was an organized effort, you could charge him with sedition as well.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:19 pm to LuckyTiger
Yes.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:21 pm to DelTiger
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This would be the easiest 15-6 ever. As you have Vindman on video testifying under oath specifying in detail how he mishandled classified information, failed to use his chain of command, and admitted to actively subverting command intent. Each of those are open and shut. If the investigator can prove it was an organized effort, you could charge him with sedition as well.
All this could still happen, isn't that correct?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:25 pm to davyjones
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All this could still happen, isn't that correct?
It could; and probably should.
But it most likely won’t. The Pentagon is loaded with Blue Falcons.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:29 pm to LuckyTiger
What vindman did was akin to..
Working as a Pepsi delivery truck driver and deliberately try to sabotage the CEO of Pepsi because their agenda for PepsiCo doesn't match with my agenda for PepsiCo.
Working as a Pepsi delivery truck driver and deliberately try to sabotage the CEO of Pepsi because their agenda for PepsiCo doesn't match with my agenda for PepsiCo.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:30 pm to davyjones
It could..... But he will probably get a pass and disappear in anonymity. I would speculate Army leadership does not want any more attention to this matter. It is a Public Affairs nightmare.
But it would be simple to charge and convict.
They might suspend his Security clearance if it has not been done so already with an eventual revocation. That would also kill his career.
But it would be simple to charge and convict.
They might suspend his Security clearance if it has not been done so already with an eventual revocation. That would also kill his career.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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Military Service Men & Women...Is What Vindman Did Wrong?
Do his actions warrant disciplinary measures, based on your knowledge and experiences?
Yes/yes
This
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:32 pm to Godfather1
Maybe more clear details of what blatantly appears violation of military law will come about and perhaps the Army will have no choice but to initiate criminal prosecution. I'm also still curious about the leaking of the Bolton manuscript situation, whether or to what extent Vindman was involved. Unless that's already been answered and I just missed it.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:33 pm to DelTiger
I appreciate the insight.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:38 pm to davyjones
What is clear is that military officers do not hire attorneys as advocates to defend themselves from being moved to another position unless it is a relief for cause (NSC has stated this is not the case). Military officers do hire an attorney if the believe they have violated UCMJ and/or if they believe they may be charged under UCMJ.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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Yes. Leaking and gossiping and scheming should be left to the bureaucrats. It is beneath the dignity of the uniform.
Plus, it has been said that call me Lt Col. talked shite about not only his CIC but about America to Ukrainians.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:41 pm to DelTiger
Very good point.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:41 pm to LuckyTiger
Yes
It's honestly not even a close call. You don't even have to have an opinion on it really because you just have to listen to what he said
The only reason in people's minds is because it's Trump.
It's honestly not even a close call. You don't even have to have an opinion on it really because you just have to listen to what he said
The only reason in people's minds is because it's Trump.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:43 pm to LuckyTiger
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Do his actions warrant disciplinary measures, based on your knowledge and experiences?
No.
But 80% of Trumpkins I know now have a friend who was in his Ranger school class and have bad stories about him. Must have been the biggest Ranger school class in history.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:48 pm to LuckyTiger
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Yes, I am.
I know nothing of the Military Code of Justice or other disciplinary processes.
Anyone who has served more than a day has had a superior investigated. 15-6s happen all the time and the IO (investigating officer) will question lots of people in the chain of command to see if the accusations are substantiated. For every person hammered there are probably 4-5 that come back unsubstantiated. Vindman just happened to be a witness in a super high profile case.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:55 pm to TopFlightSecurity
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Anyone who has served more than a day has had a superior investigated.
No one has ever had a superior investigated for violating the junior person's opinion of how something is supposed to run. Sheesh.
This idiot literally said that he felt like Trump was going against u.s. foreign policy position. Um. Presidents ARE THE US FOREIGN POLICY POSITION
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:05 pm to LuckyTiger
Was it wrong for Douglas MacArthur to surreptitiously undermine his CIC's war policy, regardless of whether he agreed with it? Yes.
"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail." - Truman
That said, can anyone imagine the likes of Vindman stirring the respect and honor bestowed upon MacArthur as he was shown the door?
"When I joined the Army, even before the turn of the century, it was the fulfillment of all of my boyish hopes and dreams. The world has turned over many times since I took the oath on the plain at West Point, and the hopes and dreams have long since vanished, but I still remember the refrain of one of the most popular barrack ballads of that day which proclaimed most proudly that "old soldiers never die; they just fade away.
And like the old soldier of that ballad, I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the light to see that duty.
Good Bye" - MacArthur
"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail." - Truman
That said, can anyone imagine the likes of Vindman stirring the respect and honor bestowed upon MacArthur as he was shown the door?
"When I joined the Army, even before the turn of the century, it was the fulfillment of all of my boyish hopes and dreams. The world has turned over many times since I took the oath on the plain at West Point, and the hopes and dreams have long since vanished, but I still remember the refrain of one of the most popular barrack ballads of that day which proclaimed most proudly that "old soldiers never die; they just fade away.
And like the old soldier of that ballad, I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the light to see that duty.
Good Bye" - MacArthur
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:29 pm to TopFlightSecurity
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Anyone who has served more than a day has had a superior investigated.
I served 8 years. I never had anyone investigated.
Was I doing it wrong?
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