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Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:43 pm to Machine
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and Harvard university has published studies that it's a myth
False.
Studies that show it isn't a guarantee are not the same as it being a myth.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:43 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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you did drop a perp having perfectly analyzed the situation and properly appled deadly force you still have to survive the arrival of the police
What's your point here?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:49 pm to Machine
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and Harvard university has published studies that it's a myth
I don't know about Harvard, but all the NRA does is compile articles from newspapers around the country and share them without commentary.
But let me ask you something: Put yourself in the shoes of one of those kids and teachers hiding under desks in Columbine. In that moment when those 2 shitheads were reloading would you want a gun or for someone close to you to have a gun, or would you rather take comfort in Harvard's study?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:50 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Do you think the average person who goes on a public shooting spree is some highly skilled special forces marksman?
No.
but there was that Charles Whitman dude.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:51 pm to Machine
How many times has an average Joe or Jane stopped killings from happening as opposed to wildly firing their weapon and killing other innocent people?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:52 pm to Machine
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Is this rhetorical, or do you actually want to learn more about the topic?
The NRA publishes articles about 'good guys' with guns every month in the 'Armed Citizen.'
and Harvard university has published studies that it's a myth
Yea, I am going to go ahead and call bullshite on that, and I say that as someone who generally nods in agreement with academic analyses on epidemiology.
I don't trust a Harvard scientist to honestly evaluate situations. It's hard to do well for armed confrontations, and my guess is that their experience with firearms is probably nil. You're going to have a hard time understanding that which you don't know, so, similar to a lot of social science research lately, bad data in, bad data out.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:52 pm to Machine
This is a complicated question. I've thought about it quite a bit.
I know that to be effective in one of these situations, you've really got have spent time at the range shooting and practicing. Most people don't, so, it is a good question WRT how effective they might be in a "Stop a Terrorist" situation.
I like the idea of people getting some "gun safety" training as children so that they learn how to use guns safely.
But, beyond that, I hope that more law abiding adults get some practice and training in case they ever need to protect themselves and their families.
I know that to be effective in one of these situations, you've really got have spent time at the range shooting and practicing. Most people don't, so, it is a good question WRT how effective they might be in a "Stop a Terrorist" situation.
I like the idea of people getting some "gun safety" training as children so that they learn how to use guns safely.
But, beyond that, I hope that more law abiding adults get some practice and training in case they ever need to protect themselves and their families.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:52 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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The author estimated that only 10% of people with firearms licenses were competent to carry them; familiar the law, the rules of engagement, and proficient with their fire arms.
Seems pretty scientific to me.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:56 pm to Machine
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Military folks, thoughts on good guy with a gun
Do you trust your average citizen that goes to the range every so often pulling out a gun in an active shooter situation?
You know what....who cares what the military folks think....who cares what LEO thinks....who cares what the weekend 3 gun competitor thinks.....You don't carry for them, you carry for yourself, anything else is just lagniappe!
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:56 pm to weagle99
Depend on if my position is defendable. If their are offensive options or if I am at a tactical disadvantage.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:00 pm to Machine
Liberals say: Only criminals get guns!
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:04 pm to RollTide1987
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I think it's the result of a head injury I sustained when I was little.
Your Momma drop you on your head?
In regards to your shooting ability, don't feel so bad. My experience in the Corps and having at times trying to teach squids how to shoot....that most are not good shots either.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:05 pm to Machine
Trust the guy that keeps calm when shite hits the fan, that could be a military member or Joe Snuffy on the street. Some people are more dangerous with a weapon of any kind even if their intentions are good.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:10 pm to weagle99
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Are you as a permit holder comfortable doing that? You have obligations to your family which far outweigh obligations to strangers.
I did it for quite some time in the Military so have no problem now. Plus i am likely a better shot with a pistol than 98% of the population. So unless Mr. Aloha Snackbar is a national ranked ISPC competitor I have a funny feeling I would be going home.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:44 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Generally, no, but it obviously depends a lot on who the "good guy" is. A former soldier or police officer or even someone who grew up around firearms and hunts or shoots a lot is a net positive in those situations. I wouldn't trust most Americans with a firearm in an active situation, though.
I agree with all of this
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:58 pm to Machine
Yes I trust the average citizen as much or more than many in the military. There are literally dozens of instances where a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy. You just have to dig to find the examples.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:02 pm to Machine
The only guy I truly trust with a gun in a touchy situation is myself and a hand full of very select friends.
But I would trust more, by far, a good stranger with a gun than I would a bad guy with a gun if push comes to shove. At the very least the good guy might toss his weapon to me and allow me to employ it against said bad guy ... which would give is a fighting chance.
There are a lot of cops I do not trust with guns though.
But I would trust more, by far, a good stranger with a gun than I would a bad guy with a gun if push comes to shove. At the very least the good guy might toss his weapon to me and allow me to employ it against said bad guy ... which would give is a fighting chance.
There are a lot of cops I do not trust with guns though.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:13 pm to scrooster
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There are a lot of cops I do not trust with guns though.
You can say that again. I go to the range 2 to 4 times a month and a good portion of the cops out there are scary bad.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:29 am to Machine
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Do you trust your average citizen that goes to the range every so often pulling out a gun in an active shooter situation?
It's not that I trust him, it's that it's his frickin right to carry a fricking gun on his property, and the right of other property owners to tell him he cannot do so on their property. Whether or not he meets some arbitrary standard of training is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:30 am
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