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re: Mike Pence showed some courage tonight, speaking about 1/6
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:57 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:57 pm to boosiebadazz
Wrong! And you damn well know it
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:58 pm to boosiebadazz
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Either she has the power or she doesn’t. And if she does, it’s at her sole discretion whether to use it or not.
What are you blathering about?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:00 pm to Jjdoc
I agree that the VP is simply the presiding officer and the decision on whether to certify or not is a function of the legislative branch.
But if the VP, as a member of the executive branch, has the power to refuse certification then by definition that is his/her decision alone.
But if the VP, as a member of the executive branch, has the power to refuse certification then by definition that is his/her decision alone.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:02 pm to Turbeauxdog
If Pence had the power to refuse certification then so does every VP after him. And they will be able to exercise that power at their sole discretion as a member of the executive branch.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:06 pm to boosiebadazz
What does that have to do with begrudging acceptance?
Is that how we treat any issue where a politician makes any shitty decision within their authority?
Your point is just fricking stupid.
Is that how we treat any issue where a politician makes any shitty decision within their authority?
Your point is just fricking stupid.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:07 pm to idlewatcher
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Instead of merely saying “ok let’s look into these allegations”, he signed off on them and certified them.
You got that right.
Lost in the news of the Capitol melee (which was at least partially a Deep State false-flag event) was the last minute petition by legislative leaders of the majority parties in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona for Pence and Congress to delay certification:
More than 100 state legislators ask Pence to delay certification of electoral votes by 10 days: Lawmakers say they want more time to investigate the irregularities that occurred in their respective states.
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"The U.S. Constitution gives us authority to determine how elections are run," he added. "All of that assumes the law is going to be followed by those who implement it. And now that we know the law wasn't followed in this election, so as state legislators is it up to us to determine did that have any effect on the outcome, to hold those people who didn't follow the law accountable and to make sure in the future those laws are followed."
Couple this with the fact that the executive branch in all of these swing states repeatedly ignored court orders, sandbagged legislative subpoenas, destroyed evidence and otherwise blatantly ignored election laws and the claims of an illegitimate election has not only NOT been disproven, it has scarcely been investigated.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:08 pm to Turbeauxdog
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begrudging acceptance?
You may not like it, but I expect wholesale acknowledgment that she actually has that power and is not usurping anything at all.
Glad you’re intellectually honest enough to commit to that beforehand
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:08 pm to boosiebadazz
He could have followed what Cruz etal were saying to do. He folded.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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if we lose faith in elections, we lose our country,"
'if' has come to pass
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:10 pm to Toomer Deplorable
So a group of state legislators from NY or California simply has to write to Kamala asking to delay certification and she’s good to go? Even if the legislative body as a whole from NY or CA has already certified the election?
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Mike Pence could have been toasted sliced bread, but he’s just a warm glass of buttermilk.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:15 pm to boosiebadazz
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If Pence had the power to refuse certification then so does every VP after him. And they will be able to exercise that power at their sole discretion as a member of the executive branch.
Complete BS.
1- Nobody asked him to select the President. Nobody! Complete lie.
2- The Constitution is the Constitution and it allows for states to request the VP to not certify. Which they did.
LINK
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Alternate Republican “electors” met last month in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, New Mexico and Michigan and voted for Trump and Pence, with an eye toward an Electoral College challenge, as the president’s legal efforts went forward.
Pence himself stated:
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“When disputes concerning a presidential election arise, under Federal law, it is the people’s representatives who review the evidence and resolve disputes through a democratic process,” he said.
They did that. State Reps asked him to send it back to their states.
AZ, GA, PA, and WI all sent letters to Pence.
States had that right and Pence ignored it
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:17 pm to Jjdoc
This is all part of the show.
Mike pence will somehow get the republican nomination for president. He won't get the votes, but he'll get it.
Follow the wives?
Mike pence will somehow get the republican nomination for president. He won't get the votes, but he'll get it.
Follow the wives?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:18 pm to PiscesTiger
Glad his true RINO colors are showing before the election cycle gets started again. RINO.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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if we lose faith in elections, we lose our country
I've got some bad news for you, I don't have faith in our elections.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
frick Pence. He was also the leaker all along.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Dude...you need to give this stuff a rest. Perhaps take a break from the board. Your posting keeps heading down hill...fast.
Pence is a tool. Always has been.
Pence is a tool. Always has been.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:20 pm to boosiebadazz
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You may not like it, but I expect wholesale acknowledgment that she actually has that power and is not usurping anything at all.
Glad you’re intellectually honest enough to commit to that beforehand
pence had something serious to at least consider and justify tabling the vote that day
what would kamala’s reason be? are you expecting an identical situation in 2024 or are you saying she would do it just because she can?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:21 pm to Jjdoc
A minority of state reps wrote to him. I’d agree with you if the body as a whole voted to rescind the electors due to irregularities. But our federalist system doesn’t allow that. The state legislature certified it and then it’s just a formality in Congress.
That’s a check against federal overreach and usurpation of state-level certification of results.
If the state legislatures of any of those states who wrote to him voted to rescind sue to irregularities then I agree Pence couldn’t act as a state is missing. But absent that, Pence can’t substitute his judgment for that of the state legislatures Because as your link says,
That’s a check against federal overreach and usurpation of state-level certification of results.
If the state legislatures of any of those states who wrote to him voted to rescind sue to irregularities then I agree Pence couldn’t act as a state is missing. But absent that, Pence can’t substitute his judgment for that of the state legislatures Because as your link says,
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The attorney cited the Constitution’s Article II, Section 1, which provides, “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives” in Congress.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:24 pm to supatigah
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pence had something serious to at least consider and justify tabling the vote that day
what would kamala’s reason be? are you expecting an identical situation in 2024 or are you saying she would do it just because she can?
I’m saying certification of elections is a state-level legislative function per the constitution and the VP is simply the tally-counter of the EC.
That’s a feature of our federalist system, not a bug.
Due process and presentation of evidence is at the state legislative level.
If you let the VP refuse electors who have been certified by the states, you take that certification power from the states and put it in the hands of one person.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 10:28 pm
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