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re: Mike Johnson disagrees with Trump. The West Bank belongs to Israel.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 4:53 am to icecreamsnowball
Posted on 9/29/25 at 4:53 am to icecreamsnowball
I know many Christians who have visited Israel. Zero of them have been spit on.
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:04 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
It is Israel, the Lineage of Abraham, that is prophesied. The Jews were not mentioned. How many Jews today are of Abraham's Lineage?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:05 am to GumboPot
'Frig that shrimp of a man who gets a lot of money from them to push this nonsense.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:12 am to International_Aggie
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Moses called Abraham a Hebrew 400 years after he lived. Again, Abraham was Chaldean. There was no such thing as the Hebrew people until hundreds of years after he lived. He was the physical ancestor of the Hebrew people, but the spiritual ancestor for all people of faith.
Again, Scripture is abundantly clear that the seed of Abraham is Jesus and his true descendants are people of faith, not people of a certain ancestry.
The covenant with Israel came later with Moses.
This is basic Christian teaching.
I won't argue with you any more since it's fruitless.
Abraham was the ancestor of the Israelites, as well as all people of faith. Jesus ultimately came and grafted us in, which is why God told Abraham that He would bless all nations through Abraham and his great nation. This again, does not make the New Covenant, which is about our salvation through Jesus, the same as the Abrahamic Covenant, which is that he would make them a great nation, and fulfill His purposes through them. Which He has done, time and time again. And they will absolutely be central in end times.
The covenant with Moses, as I said before, is not the Abrahamic covenant. Moses received an entirely separate covenant, which was the law, and the conditional promises upon their ability, or lack thereof to keep the law. This covenant had nothing to do with whether or not Israel, the descendants of Abraham, would remain God's chosen people to fulfill His purposes, but rather that they would receive salvation if they kept and followed the law. And God knew, of course, that they couldn't keep it, and that is where Jesus came in to provide The Way of salvation.
That you are arguing about words not existing, when the Bible clearly identifies these descendants as Hebrews, Israelites and Jews, is similar to arguing whether or not dinosaurs existed before 1841, when the term "dinosaur" was coined. It makes no difference what they were called at any given time, the fact is that they are the descendants of Abraham, as the Bible plainly identifies them.
With all due respect, you might find our conversation to be more fruitful if you would engage my points in good faith, rather than relying on semantics and confusing separate covenants as one in the same.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 5:16 am
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:42 am to MajorityWhip
Not all Jews are Talmudic Jews. There are messianic Jews who won’t spit on you. So stop with that nonsense
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:59 am to icecreamsnowball
there was a converted jew at my baptist church who when he retired moved to israel to convert as many to christianity as possible. he was harrassed so bad he moved back here. they want a jewish state only. my church sends groups to countries all over the world to build the kingdom. they only do tours to israel to visit holy sites. israel wants you to visit the holy sites but don't try to convert anybody..
Posted on 9/29/25 at 7:09 am to GumboPot
JooCucks are just as bad as muh free Palestine shitbags. As much as I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and Christianity is the way, I detest that region as much as anywhere else on the planet.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 7:13 am to 2014Tigers
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Not all Jews are Talmudic Jews. There are messianic Jews who won’t spit on you. So stop with that nonsense
That really doesn't sound much better. "Hey come visit Israel, not all jews will spit on you"
Posted on 9/29/25 at 8:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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He understands the special role of the Jews in prophecy.
is this how our government should be ran?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:16 am to wackatimesthree
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quote:Good grief, this nonsense again Well, it's only fair. Every time this comes up we have to listen to the Joos running the world conspiracies all over again. If we have to listen to that nonsense every single time Israel gets mentioned, you guys can listen to this nonsense. Tit for Tat.
Well one is 100% false. Jews in 2025 are not Gods chosen people. There is no prophecy that God needs the US to fulfill on His behalf.
Jews on the other hand do have incredible political and cultural power. Only a fool would deny this. They dont have the numbers to "run the world" but they certainly do have power
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:20 am to scottydoesntknow
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Jews on the other hand do have incredible political and cultural power.
How did that happen? I don't understand.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:23 am to The Baker
Why stop at the Wedt Bank? lol
What’s next, invade Jordan?
What’s next, invade Jordan?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:25 am to VOR
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Why stop at the Wedt Bank? lol
What’s next, invade Jordan?
You've seen the map. Jordan is in the queue but they working on Syria and Lebanon right now while working on the West Bank and Gaza.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:44 am to SelaTiger
quote:Truth. Trump has never failed to give Israel what it wanted.
Of course he does. And Trump does too!
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Mike Johnson is in my view a more authentic Christian than DJT.
He understands the special role of the Jews in prophecy.
Whereas Trump simply views Israel as a geopolitical asset in a troubled region.
This is better troll job than anything el gaucho has every tried to do.
Kudos HHtM
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:21 am to GumboPot
Bought and paid for smurf. Our greatest ally
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:37 am to GumboPot
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quote:Jews on the other hand do have incredible political and cultural power. How did that happen? I don't understand.
-Intelligence
-Historical gravitation towards banking and the arts, either through necessity or choice
-Family focused, community focused
-Ruthless tactics for self preservation
None of these are bad things. Jews arent inherently evil. They are just always going to take care of their own at the expense of others. Its admirable, I wish whites had more of this mentality. Its also problematic. For a population so small, the path to self preservation is not through concepts like small, limited government. It just isnt
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:38 am to GumboPot
quote:DC does too apparently Mikey
The West Bank belongs to Israel.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:59 pm to Metaloctopus
This thread is theologically bankrupt. Does anyone know their Bibles?
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