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re: Mike Johnson announces President Trump's first priority will be ending WFH
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:33 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:33 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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A commercial real estate guy propping up his own interests are what this really is about.
How many federal buildings does Trump own?
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:42 pm to idlewatcher
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However, with that said, not sure how POTUS could mandate people going to the office. That's trying to dictate how someone runs/operates their business.
Trump is the boss. He can tell federal workers to show back up to the office. Not doing so will result in termination.
Just like it works at any other business on the planet.
Once these jobs are terminated, its going to be easier for DOGE to finds areas to cut. They just dont rehire.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:46 pm to John Barron
I quit my 100% work from home job that I worked for 2 years - hated not interacting in person with the people I worked with. So many inefficiencies arise.
I prefer the hybrid model, right now its 4 days in office 1 day at home which is perfect.
I prefer the hybrid model, right now its 4 days in office 1 day at home which is perfect.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:52 pm to goldennugget
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prefer the hybrid model, right now its 4 days in office 1 day at home which is perfect.
That's reasonable. I just hate it when I have people at the gym tell me they are WFH and on the clock why working out. I ask them are they proud of that and usually get some BS answer about their company being shite to work for.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:02 pm to John Barron
Work from home can mean 2 different things for Federal workers. There is approved Telework and approved remote work. Telework implies that the employee still has a physical office location that they are supposed to report to some agreed upon # of times a week. Remote work is where an employee does NOT have an office location and the employee is approved to work full time from a remote (from the office) location.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:16 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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Commercial real estate has been taking a beating with WFH.
Fact. Some big donors want and need people back in the office so they can justify that guaranteed gov money coming in. They've been pushing politicians for years on this and provide donations in return.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:22 pm to KiwiHead
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Long overdue.
But Beltway traffic is gonna be a bitch.
Drove through DC at the height of Obama's recession and there was construction going on everywhere. It was a real DC boom.
Need to move as much of the federal government out of DC and around the country if for no other reason to avoid the "Designated Survivor" scenario in an age when NK and Iran have nuclear weapons.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:26 pm to John Barron
This is one of the dumbest things to get fixated on.
This is more like someone's pet peeve than a true first priority.
This is more like someone's pet peeve than a true first priority.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:27 pm to John Barron
Run off high value producers that can get WFH jobs elsewhere and retain the ones that think showing up on time and contributing to traffic is all they need to show how good they are. We're not talking about factory jobs here.
genius.
genius.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:28 pm to John Barron
As is each company’s right but it won’t be at the requirement of the government.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:28 pm to John Barron
I'd like to see some metrics that indicate productivity has declined. If it hasn't why does this even matter? This doesn't even begin to address the issues with the government workforce. It just gives the good employees even more incentive to leave.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:29 pm to Wtodd
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Doubtful
Win/win either way.
They'll come back to their cushy office job and work hard, or they'll step aside and their duties will be consolidated with another who is more willing to work, along with a pay increase.
You can't beat that.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:11 pm to John Barron
I read where Biden is signing last minute contract changes with public sector unions that would let them keep WFH.
Another reason for Trump to abolish EO 10988.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:25 pm to John Barron
It's probably safe to say that Jeff Landry will follow suit and end that with the state too.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:34 pm to andwesway
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It's probably safe to say that Jeff Landry will follow suit and end that with the state too.
If he wants to increase traffic in BR, increase office costs, make it so good employees leave and bad ones that can clock in and out on time stay then yes he will do that. what a brilliant strategy. 4-D chess!
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:35 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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commercial real estate guy propping up his own interests are what this really is about.
They are talking about ending WFH for federal employees. The fed gov owns tons of commercial real estate. See who comes back and then start leasing the empty buildings.
This has nothing to do with Trump’s buildings.
I love WFH. However, if your job requires you to come in, come in. Or find another job.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:16 pm to stout
This crusade against WFH is not going to go how people think it will go.
There are many practical issues here, but most importantly, the idea that three billionaires (Vivek, Elon, Trump) who appear to NEVER be in an office, are going to hector and assail people at or near the bottom of the income strata for complying with the rules presented to them by the Legislative and Executive branches, is going to look like punching down, not reform. This will be an issue in midterms. This must be done logically, and if it appears de-humanizing or cruel, it's an automatic disaster.
These guys are going to come off looking like they want to lord over the masses, that they can get all these wonderful things done without being in an office yet the rest of us heathens must march to the office each day and be administered to like a herd of cattle. People say the left can't meme but this is going to do their work for them heading to midterms. This has the potential to be a disaster for midterms and then 2028. If they screw this up, Dems will control govt in 2028 and we'll get a $10T federal budget and the country will be over.
It is far cheaper to have someone WFH than be in an office. The first priority is determining if the job and position are needed. Whether a person works from home is a distant priority here.
Unused office space does not mean that the office space needs to be filled. It's far more likely that the space needs to go away. Stop renting it, or if owned by govt, sell it.
Don't be surprised if the crusade against WFH ends up with budgets that are increased as fedgov scrambles to buy / rent more property or rehab spaces so they can bring people into an office. Trump will sign such a budget, probably on the golf course, because he is too lazy to follow through. And let's not forget a separate irony here - that Trump wants to pursue efficiency and hard work. If it's not a campaign rally with fawning sycophants everywhere, the man is not interested. He won't do the work.
I find it ironic that some in Congress are on this crusade as well. Congress is among the least productive, least efficient, and most corrupt places on the planet. Talk about crushing your credibility - Ernst is a loser and Speaker Johnson is a man with no balls and credibility at all. He is Hakeem Jeffries' bitch.
People have been saying for at least 20 years now that part of their jobs could be done at home. Some admin tasks and so forth are easy to do just sitting at the table or desk at home. If that occupies just one day a week, you and your job are now being painted as some great catastrophe. None of this is logical. It's just hyperbole for effect and when true analysis is done, it's going to get exposed.
There are many practical issues here, but most importantly, the idea that three billionaires (Vivek, Elon, Trump) who appear to NEVER be in an office, are going to hector and assail people at or near the bottom of the income strata for complying with the rules presented to them by the Legislative and Executive branches, is going to look like punching down, not reform. This will be an issue in midterms. This must be done logically, and if it appears de-humanizing or cruel, it's an automatic disaster.
These guys are going to come off looking like they want to lord over the masses, that they can get all these wonderful things done without being in an office yet the rest of us heathens must march to the office each day and be administered to like a herd of cattle. People say the left can't meme but this is going to do their work for them heading to midterms. This has the potential to be a disaster for midterms and then 2028. If they screw this up, Dems will control govt in 2028 and we'll get a $10T federal budget and the country will be over.
It is far cheaper to have someone WFH than be in an office. The first priority is determining if the job and position are needed. Whether a person works from home is a distant priority here.
Unused office space does not mean that the office space needs to be filled. It's far more likely that the space needs to go away. Stop renting it, or if owned by govt, sell it.
Don't be surprised if the crusade against WFH ends up with budgets that are increased as fedgov scrambles to buy / rent more property or rehab spaces so they can bring people into an office. Trump will sign such a budget, probably on the golf course, because he is too lazy to follow through. And let's not forget a separate irony here - that Trump wants to pursue efficiency and hard work. If it's not a campaign rally with fawning sycophants everywhere, the man is not interested. He won't do the work.
I find it ironic that some in Congress are on this crusade as well. Congress is among the least productive, least efficient, and most corrupt places on the planet. Talk about crushing your credibility - Ernst is a loser and Speaker Johnson is a man with no balls and credibility at all. He is Hakeem Jeffries' bitch.
People have been saying for at least 20 years now that part of their jobs could be done at home. Some admin tasks and so forth are easy to do just sitting at the table or desk at home. If that occupies just one day a week, you and your job are now being painted as some great catastrophe. None of this is logical. It's just hyperbole for effect and when true analysis is done, it's going to get exposed.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:08 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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A commercial real estate guy propping up his own interests are what this really is about.
Federal Government employees.
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WFH is a win for everyone else.
Federal Government employees
He is talking about government spending.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:10 pm to shinerfan
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First they'll try simple non-compliance, then lawsuits in friendly venues.
Lawsuits?
What court is going to rule that someone has a right to not report to work?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:15 pm to POTUS2024
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It's just hyperbole for effect and when true analysis is done, it's going to get exposed.
I have a different opinion.
I think what you're going to see is the federal bureaucracy labor pool significantly downsized because when they make people show up for work instead of getting paid to go shopping or go to the gym they are going to find out that they don't need nearly as many employees to accomplish the tasks that need doing when they actually are held accountable for working for 8 hours a day.
I think they'll save lots of money.
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