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re: Michigan House Criminalizes Use of Wrong Pronoun
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:59 pm to blueridgeTiger
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:59 pm to blueridgeTiger
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A recently passed bill in Michigan would make it a felony to intimidate someone by using the wrong gender pronouns.
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HB 4474, a piece of legislation that criminalizes causing someone to feel threatened by words.
Now do threatening words toward white males.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:20 pm to TerryDawg03
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id, but 1A protects speech against the government, not other people.
There are some really stupid people on this board
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:22 pm to TerryDawg03
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but 1A protects speech against the government, not other people.
How do you get through life being this stupid?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:32 pm to blueridgeTiger
It’s absolutely grotesque that there are enough Democrats who think this is acceptable legislation
It should be a felony to associate the Democratic Party with liberalism
It should be a felony to associate the Democratic Party with liberalism
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:33 pm to blueridgeTiger
Verbally intimidating someone is already against the law. Not sure why there needs to be a specific law that involves pronouns
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:35 pm to blueridgeTiger
Just call everybody " frickhead".
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:38 pm to blueridgeTiger
Friendly reminder that the democrats are able to get away with insane things like this because of Trump. Trump helped them win in Michigan.
-He screamed for months about "election fraud" with no proof.
-He tried to prop up John Gibbs, who failed spectacularly.
-He also made the governor's race all about himself by getting Tudor Dixon nominated, whose platform was "I love Trump".
Thanks to democrats taking over Michigan, we now have universal mail-in ballots there and partial birth abortion. Nice going Trump.
So just let this be a warning next time you want to nominate Trump.
-He screamed for months about "election fraud" with no proof.
-He tried to prop up John Gibbs, who failed spectacularly.
-He also made the governor's race all about himself by getting Tudor Dixon nominated, whose platform was "I love Trump".
Thanks to democrats taking over Michigan, we now have universal mail-in ballots there and partial birth abortion. Nice going Trump.
So just let this be a warning next time you want to nominate Trump.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:39 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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Verbally intimidating someone is already against the law.
Maybe you mean threatening? Intimidation is subjective. Things such as Threatening bodily harm is more specific.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:50 pm to blueridgeTiger
What if an adult intimidates a child into getting gender affirming care?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:55 pm to blueridgeTiger
That’s a whole lots of vague talk
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:08 pm to blueridgeTiger
As a Christian, I’ve got a commitment to the truth. I cannot in good conscience call a man a woman and vice versa just because someone believes that they are.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:11 pm to BobBoucher
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Maybe you mean threatening? Intimidation is subjective.
Yeah I'd think that Antifa and leftists screaming in everybody's face every day would qualify
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:19 pm to jcaz
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SCOTUS about to make liberals cry again
But what will it take for it to make it up it through the courts for it to get to SCOTUS in 2-4yrs.
Someone will have to be actually go thru the hassle of getting charged with this? As this "standing" garbage seems to counter quick correction of this type of garbage, and these commicrats know this, why they keep doing this.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:32 pm to KAGTASTIC
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Someone will have to be actually go thru the hassle of getting charged with this? As this "standing" garbage seems to counter quick correction of this type of garbage, and these commicrats know this, why they keep doing this.
Yep. Just like the baker in CO, these insane authoritarians will go after one of their political enemies and make their lives a living hell.
These people need to be dealt with. This is becoming serious now.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:42 pm to blueridgeTiger
At some point. Some people are gonna suffer consequences. I’m sick of this shot.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:57 pm to blueridgeTiger
It took us 38 years, but we've arrived at 1984.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:34 pm to BobBoucher
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Maybe you mean threatening? Intimidation is subjective. Things such as Threatening bodily harm is more specific.
The term "intimidation" is used by a few states as basically their word for assault. (which incidentally looks like that is what this Michigan law is).
The way it reads, people are going to use subsection (c) to scare people into using pronouns. It kinda looks like you are not supposed to be found guilty for simply using the wrong pronoun but I am sure the law was written to ironically intimidate people into using them. Just like assault, there is a bit of interpretation as to whether someone's actions or words are reasonably being viewed as a threat of impending physical contact or violence. The additional punishments beyond regular assault or battery is the kicker.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:27 pm to BugAC
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Pretty sure that violates the first amendment.
I believe the bill incorporates something like hate speech into speech that is exempt from 1st Amendment protection. And I believe the bill has a very expansive definition of what comprises hate speech. Not properly pronouning someone can be harassment and therefore a felony punishable by fines and/or prison. In addition I believe the “victim(s)” also have recourse to a civil action.
[Edit-this bill will probably pass their upper house with minimal revision
and be signed into law by their Communist governor.]
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:33 pm to TerryDawg03
quote:that is not accurate. Adjectives are protected under the 1A just like pronouns are.
, but 1A protects speech against the government, not other people.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:49 pm to RemouladeSawce
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It’s absolutely grotesque that there are enough Democrats who think this is acceptable legislation
It should be a felony to associate the Democratic Party with liberalism
That's their Marxist DNA showing through. Communism doesn't have a First Amendment, they just have crimes against the state, gulags and reeducation camps for anyone who doesn't parrot the party line.
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