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Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:39 am to VoxDawg
"You have to SHOW them."
Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:40 am to texashorn
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Trump lost. By a lot.
Seems like a forensic audit of the states in question would definitively shut down the "Trumpkins" when it comes to validating Sleepy's installation, right?
Why fight against the one thing that could be the BOOM? (After all, shutting down dissent is right up the left's alley).
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:49 am to VoxDawg
quote:Would Trumpkins accept "forensic" audits conducted by Soros and Clinton?
Seems like a forensic audit of the states in question would definitively shut down the "Trumpkins" when it comes to validating Sleepy's installation, right?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:01 pm to moneyg
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It's a tedious process. These people are doing the necessary work. On its own, it's not everything. Quit expecting that.
Oh I agree whole heartedly with that assessment.
And I truly believe that massive fraud took place - and that Trump actually DID 'win bigly'
My problem is maybe with my anticipation of what this thread would reveal based on its title = "Michigan Fraud Proof"
I was sorely disappointed in the level of "proof' presented - SEVERAL videos of actual scientific approaches where the algorithm used were reverse-engineered to reproduce the exact improbable (and thus fraudulent) results.
Some of these videos were released in December if I recall correctly - and others have been introduced in Lindell's prior announcements.
This one seemed like late release of an addendum to a Calculus Text that 'announces' proof of the Pythagorean Theorem.
Didn't move the needle for me. And my fear is that its irrelevancy will be used to taint more serious work. Media will lambast this and ignore the more relevant analyses.
Maybe there's more there that I didn't catch.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:01 pm to mmcgrath
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Would Trumpkins accept "forensic" audits conducted by Soros and Clinton?
Nobody is going to ask you to blindly accept a conclusion from the auditors.
There will either be evidence, or there won't be. The evidence will be the result...not a conclusion.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:07 pm to ChineseBandit58
You should read the court documents, especially the second one. Pretty interesting and demonstrates the need to continue to move forward.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:15 pm to moneyg
Presumably we are to reject all the counts, recounts and audits which have been performed heretofore?
Because the evidence led to unacceptable conclusions.
Because the evidence led to unacceptable conclusions.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:18 pm to the808bass
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I think you’re wrong.
Been wrong many times before and welcome being corrected. In fact that is my mission in life - to learn by having my mistakes corrected. It is how I learn.
I respect your opinion.
What in that video is compelling?
The one thing I admittedly have no real expertise in analyzing is the connectivity to the internet. I would love to know more about the possibility or probability of that being a problem.
I THINK this video may have hinted at that, but I found no emphasis on it or demonstration of how it could be accomplished.
This video seemed to concentrate on one small precinct of 7 voters and used the simple algorithm? of just swapping votes. That algorithm obviously was nothing similar to what actually happened (too easily detected by the absolute absurd results it would produce). Other analyses have reversed engineered the results based on the actual voter data bases of thousands of real precincts of thousands of voters and reproduced those results with the results of their analysis. THESE are the ones that need to be emphasized and if they can be debunked it would validate the damned results we disagree with.
I'd like to know if we were actually hit by the equivalent of 5 meteorites simultaneously hitting five different control centers in five different states.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:23 pm to ChineseBandit58
The important thing in the video from my perspective was that the tabulation tables could be accessed and made to match the fraudulent vote count.
It doesn’t make any sense for that to be easily accessible for a voting system.
It doesn’t make any sense for that to be easily accessible for a voting system.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:24 pm to VoxDawg
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Seems like a forensic audit of the states in question would definitively shut down the "Trumpkins" when it comes to validating Sleepy's installation, right?
Why fight against the one thing that could be the BOOM? (After all, shutting down dissent is right up the left's alley).
Because you’ve created this world where you immediately dismiss anything that would prove you wrong, no matter how concrete the proof is. Be honest, if an audit like the one you mentioned showed that Trump lost, would you accept it?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:27 pm to nitwit
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Presumably we are to reject all the counts, recounts and audits which have been performed heretofore?
We are going to explain what said “audits” did and did not do and draw a logical conclusion as to what they conclude. You dems are confused because you don’t want to look at the details.
You want everyone to accept that “audits were done” therefore no fraud. People who think independently see right through that. It’s why you are wrongfully concerned about the auditors. You expect that they are going to make the same conclusive appeal. In truth they will release very specific findings that can be seen and critiqued by anyone.
In other words one side is a quest for truth. And then there is your side.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:39 pm to moneyg
Has any actual actually been done??
I think all they have done is replicate the original process. I am unaware of any serious audit of the process itself using actual legally proscribed controls.
I think all they have done is replicate the original process. I am unaware of any serious audit of the process itself using actual legally proscribed controls.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:41 pm to mmcgrath
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Would Trumpkins accept "forensic" audits conducted by Soros and Clinton?
This is hilarious and you are clueless. God forbid millions of Americans just want to know if their vote even matters anymore.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/4/21 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
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The important thing in the video from my perspective was that the tabulation tables could be accessed and made to match the fraudulent vote count.
It doesn’t make any sense for that to be easily accessible for a voting system.
True dat = I am totally unskilled in understanding how easily that can be accomplished. I wish the video had provided more clear evidence of how that was accomplished other than just implying that it had been done in the preparation of the video.
And how did he get copies of the 'actual' ballots?? Were these really ballots, or made up examples of one to be used in the demo. They all looked pristine to me - not ever handled before and supposedly locked up from anyone's access.
The preponderance of the video appeared to be a demo of "what could be done with this setup" and no reference to any actual results of what HAD been done. I don't find that persuasive - I already BELIEVE that shenagins were done on election night and the weeks following.
I really wanted some expose of THAT. I do not disbelieve any assertion he made in the video - but it has the same effect as saying "Alabama cheated."
eta - one other angle - the example he demo stated was done at a very low level in the process. That would mean 10's of thousands of low level employees would have had to duplicate that process in a very visible area.
Now if that is the case I do NOT believe it happened - that many lips would not slip up and reveal the steal. I think the cheat was way more sophisticated than that - had to be done with upper echelon controls that just turned on some sophisticated algorithm deep in the bowels of the software. Certainly something more elaborate than just renaming the heads of columns of data.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:03 pm to ChineseBandit58
I think the point of this particular exhibit is due to the fact that Dominion has stated, with certainty, that their computers are not vulnerable to hacking.
This exhibit proves that is false by simply walking people through the steps of how the election tabulation is done with actual ballots being run through the system and results being printed out.
This exhibit then shows proof that election results can be manipulated....which these lawyers, i assume, will then use as evidence in a request to have have the ballots and computers audited further for discrepancies.
Keep in mind, there has only been one hand recount of ballots vs computer print outs in Michigan and the winners were switched, but it was "proven" to be a "computer glitch"...without any supporting evidence.
*not a lawyer so excuse my terminologies, just working through my small head of what makes sense with this
This particular video is not attempting to prove actual cheating took place IMO, just laying the ground work to carry this further.
This exhibit proves that is false by simply walking people through the steps of how the election tabulation is done with actual ballots being run through the system and results being printed out.
This exhibit then shows proof that election results can be manipulated....which these lawyers, i assume, will then use as evidence in a request to have have the ballots and computers audited further for discrepancies.
Keep in mind, there has only been one hand recount of ballots vs computer print outs in Michigan and the winners were switched, but it was "proven" to be a "computer glitch"...without any supporting evidence.
*not a lawyer so excuse my terminologies, just working through my small head of what makes sense with this
This particular video is not attempting to prove actual cheating took place IMO, just laying the ground work to carry this further.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:33 pm to VoxDawg
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Which movie are YOU watching?
Because the one I'm dialed into is epic.
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VoxDawg
You are the definition of a groupie. Powell and Wood are playing saps like you.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:43 pm to bstew3006
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Hmmmm, I wonder why the US intelligence agencies use this system in foreign elections?
I was in Afghanistan in 2012-2013.
All three of my interpreters and I were discussing the upcoming elections in Afghanistan. They told me that everyone they knew hated Karzai, that he was corrupt and nobody would vote for that American plant. They also said that they didn't vote for him in 2009 either.
I said that it won't be long before it happens in America too.
2020 Here we are.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:18 pm to Chillini
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That’s not proof. That’s some guy running a simulation and manipulating his own data...
It's proof their machines can't pass an audit and that Dominion lied.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:21 pm to Chillini
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And these clowns here keep the grift alive. It’s hilarious how much of an echo chamber of idiocy this board is.
You do know that service companies are audited rt? You do realize this company out and out lied about the security of their service rt?
You sir, sound like the idiot.
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