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"Mexico will pay for the wall." A constitutional lesson.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:45 am
The dumbfrickery surrounding this issue compelled me to make this post.
TL;DR (or if you already know): Congress by law appropriates all money for federal government expenditures. The wall expenditures will be paid for by taxing remittances to Mexico, Mexican tariffs and/or cutting federal aid to Mexico per DJT's proposals.
In order for the executive branch (that the office of the presidency for those of you that need to brush up on your civics) to spend money that money must be appropriated by congress.
Here is the law; the part of the constitution that governs this situation:
Who makes law in this country? Congress. Congress is charged with the responsibility of making law and part of that duty per the clause I just quoted is outlining who can spend the money, when they can spend the money, what they can spend the money on, where they can spend the money and how the money can be spent. Therefore congress has "the power of the purse".
This is a very basic constitutional function since this country's founding.
Where does that money come from?
It comes from revenues which includes income taxes, corporate taxes, dividend taxes, tariffs, excise taxes, permit fees, and many other numerous revenue sources by different names.
It also comes from selling bonds, specifically treasury bonds. Bonds are sold to make up the difference when federal spending is more than the revenue into the Treasury. That's called a deficit. Annual deficits add to the debt. When the federal government spend less than revenues to the Treasury over the fiscal year that's called a surplus. Surpluses reduce the federal debt.
Therefore congress must appropriate the funding for the wall. IT IS THE LAW. Congress could tell Trump no however that is likely not going to happen given the fact that congress is majority GOP and if they did say no the political blow-back would be devastating to GOP congressional members in 2018. So it can be anticipated that the GOP congress will pass appropriation laws to fund and pay for the wall.
What is likely to happen is congress will pass legislation to initially fund the wall then after DJT negotiates with Mexico congress will pass legislation to raise the revenue to pay for the wall from Mexico either by taxing remittances, imposing tariffs or removing foreign aid (to Mexico).
That's how Mexico pays for the wall.
TL;DR (or if you already know): Congress by law appropriates all money for federal government expenditures. The wall expenditures will be paid for by taxing remittances to Mexico, Mexican tariffs and/or cutting federal aid to Mexico per DJT's proposals.
In order for the executive branch (that the office of the presidency for those of you that need to brush up on your civics) to spend money that money must be appropriated by congress.
Here is the law; the part of the constitution that governs this situation:
quote:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 7
Who makes law in this country? Congress. Congress is charged with the responsibility of making law and part of that duty per the clause I just quoted is outlining who can spend the money, when they can spend the money, what they can spend the money on, where they can spend the money and how the money can be spent. Therefore congress has "the power of the purse".
This is a very basic constitutional function since this country's founding.
Where does that money come from?
It comes from revenues which includes income taxes, corporate taxes, dividend taxes, tariffs, excise taxes, permit fees, and many other numerous revenue sources by different names.
It also comes from selling bonds, specifically treasury bonds. Bonds are sold to make up the difference when federal spending is more than the revenue into the Treasury. That's called a deficit. Annual deficits add to the debt. When the federal government spend less than revenues to the Treasury over the fiscal year that's called a surplus. Surpluses reduce the federal debt.
Therefore congress must appropriate the funding for the wall. IT IS THE LAW. Congress could tell Trump no however that is likely not going to happen given the fact that congress is majority GOP and if they did say no the political blow-back would be devastating to GOP congressional members in 2018. So it can be anticipated that the GOP congress will pass appropriation laws to fund and pay for the wall.
What is likely to happen is congress will pass legislation to initially fund the wall then after DJT negotiates with Mexico congress will pass legislation to raise the revenue to pay for the wall from Mexico either by taxing remittances, imposing tariffs or removing foreign aid (to Mexico).
That's how Mexico pays for the wall.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:46 am to GumboPot
quote:Without a press conference and a big assed Nascar check it's a failure, signed Awant.
That's how Mexico pays for the wall.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:49 am to GumboPot
I read your post and get it. But I also don't care if Mexico pays for it or not, I still want it and we still need it. If our gov can cover all American's birth control, than they can keep our borders safe. We pay for so much useless shite, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be ok with paying for something that would be great for this country short and long term. 
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:49 am to GumboPot
You Trumpkins are shameless.
I KNOW!!! BUT OBAMA!!!!
I KNOW!!! BUT OBAMA!!!!
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:51 am to GumboPot
quote:
The wall expenditures will be paid for by taxing remittances to Mexico, Mexican tariffs and/or cutting federal aid to Mexico per DJT's proposals
I'm good with this.
Claiming the extra money in taxes from jobs coming back to America will help pay for it is B.S.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:55 am to JGTiger
quote:
I read your post and get it. But I also don't care if Mexico pays for it or not, I still want it and we still need it.
I feel the same way. However the folks on the left that envision that the only way Mexico pays for the wall is if President Enrique Peña Nieto is doing this:
are totally ignorant of how appropriations are made in this country.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:56 am to AUbused
quote:
You Trumpkins are shameless.
I KNOW!!! BUT OBAMA!!!!
What are you talking about? I didn't mention or allude to Obama once in this thread.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:58 am to GumboPot
quote:
I feel the same way. However the folks on the left that envision that the only way Mexico pays for the wall is if President Enrique Peña Nieto is doing this are totally ignorant of how appropriations are made in this country.
I doubt that they are, they just need something to bitch about. It's what they do..
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:59 am to GumboPot
Government failure to secure the border, answered by more government.
Lemme guess, you consider yourself a conservative.
Lemme guess, you consider yourself a conservative.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:59 am to GumboPot
quote:
What is likely to happen is congress will pass legislation to initially fund the wall then after DJT negotiates with Mexico congress will pass legislation to raise the revenue to pay for the wall from Mexico either by taxing remittances, imposing tariffs or removing foreign aid (to Mexico).

Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:01 am to AUbused
There IS NO OTHER WAY to constitutionally fund it. We get reimbursed on the initial outlay, which was always the plan.
This isn't like buying pot from your cousin.
This isn't like buying pot from your cousin.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:03 am to GumboPot
By the time progtards figure all of this out, it will be done. And the ones in the media that know this basic common sense will never report it.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:10 am to GumboPot
quote:
The wall expenditures will be paid for by taxing remittances to Mexico, Mexican tariffs and/or cutting federal aid to Mexico per DJT's proposals.
and when Mexico responds with higher/new tariffs on the $236billion of US exports to Mexico (as they did with the long-haul trucking issue), how exactly is Mexico paying for it?
I guess in the republican world on this board, the US can do whatever they want and Mexico will bend over and take it....
quote:
What is likely to happen is congress will pass legislation to initially fund the wall then after DJT negotiates with Mexico congress will pass legislation to raise the revenue to pay for the wall from Mexico either by taxing remittances, imposing tariffs or removing foreign aid (to Mexico).
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:11 am to GumboPot
Someone needs a lesson on trade and politics.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:23 am to jeff5891
quote:
I guess in the republican world on this board, the US can do whatever they want and Mexico will bend over and take it....
Do you suggest we keep taking it? Mexico has been looting our country with sending their people to ours and shipping money back into Mexico instead of using it in our local economies. Our trade deals suck for us in general. Trump is taking back from Mexico.
What is Mexico going to do that we care about? Mexico is literally falling apart right now with their riots against globalism. Nationalism is happening everywhere, free trade is on the decline world wide. It is going protectionist or at the very least agreeable trade deals. Corporations free reign of looting is coming to an end.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:26 am to AUbused
quote:
You Trumpkins are shameless.
That's rich
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:29 am to GumboPot
That's all true, but I think the political line will be about racism and xenophobia and a lot of Members will be afraid to support the wall for fear that they will lose their seats due to a massive backlash from hispanic voters.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:30 am to TX Tiger
quote:
Government failure to secure the border, answered by more government.
Good lord you're a fricking moron. But you already knew that.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:48 am to zatetic
quote:
the US can do whatever they want and Mexico will bend over and take it.
Yes, I am suggesting exactly that. It's time for the U.S. to flex it's muscle and force dependent countries to act ... dependent.
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