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re: Mexican standoff in the La. legislature.

Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:56 am to
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
22707 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:56 am to
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JBE wants it all but you wouldn’t know that reading his mouthpiece rags the Advocate and the Picayune


Read his address to the leg at the beginning of this session and come back to me on this.

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The bipartisan compromise plan that more than two-thirds of you supported in the last special session had something for everyone, but everything for no one. And that certainly includes me, as it cuts more than $60 million more than the plan I proposed. It was truly a compromise. It had spending cuts, revenue renewals, and a reduction of the tax burden on the people of Louisiana. These are meaningful, measurable improvements that will favorably impact every single person in the state. It had all of that, and still adequately funded our most essential priorities. That plan is still available to us. We can – and should -- meet in the middle and finish the job.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36209 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:00 am to
What tax cuts are Edwards proposing? If the legislature does nothing, we get a big tax cut. If they pass new taxes then we will see tax increases. The governor is trying to have it both ways.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:00 am to
can you link whatever it is you're citing? i went to the house fiscal division page and their most budget overview doc ( LINK ) page 3 lists general fund for 17-18 as $9.469B
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36209 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:02 am to
Yes, I'm on my cell so it may take a few.

Here is the table of contents, follow the links

LINK
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 11:05 am
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21968 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:30 am to
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because of the reduction in fed tax deductions?

Yep...$300 million is extra state income tax collections thanks to the federal tax cuts

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that plus 1/3 doesn't come close

With increased state income tax collections plus 1/3 cent sales tax, that covers around 2/3 of the billion dollars that the 1 cent tax was supposed to raise. Now add in the fact that oil prices are up from around $45/barrel this time last year to $65-70/barrel and the extra money the state is making off higher oil prices.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:31 am to
that's general appropriations only. the general fund funds more than that
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:35 am to
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With increased state income tax collections plus 1/3 cent sales tax, that covers around 2/3 of the billion dollars that the 1 cent tax was supposed to raise

not even half of the 1.4 billion falling off the books, and the 1/3 cent has failed so far

the turnaround in oil prices doesn't make up for much either
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21968 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:42 am to
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the turnaround in oil prices doesn't make up for much either


Do you know about what the state's revenue from oil was last year? Serious question...I did a quick search on it before my last post and couldn't really find anything. I would assume a 40% increase in oil price would be a decent sized revenue increase for LA
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36209 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:42 am to
That's what makes it hard to have a good discussion. Too many ways out there to talk about the same thing.
Thxs for the heads up.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36209 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:47 am to
The fact is Edwards and the legislature needed to make major cuts in spending when he took over in 2015, but instead they tried to keep the status quo and add Medicaid Expansion. With the state in recession and folks leaving that is impossible without major tax increases that hurt the economy and push more folks out the door.

If we had begun to change out spending habits three years ago then a lot of this could have been avoided.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:50 pm to
looking at the revenue estimating committee pub, looks like they used a crude price forecast of $54 for the fiscal year, which ends at the end of this month

and unless there's a big shock for june, looks like $416m for severance and $144m for royalties

LINK

they also indicate the forecast average for the upcoming fiscal year is $59, and they are budgeting based on a forecast of 427m for severance and 144 (again) for royalty
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:51 pm to
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If we had begun to change out spending habits three years ago then a lot of this could have been avoided.

sure, but jbe didn't say he wanted to cut spending by a billion dollars plus, and he still got elected
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36209 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:07 pm to
No doubt, but he didn't say he was going to raise taxes a Billion plus either.

He did say he was going to cut back on the nursing homes, right? He also promised the Medicaid Expansion at no cost. What else did he promise besides being honest and moral?

The guy came out the legislature, he knows the ropes, he knew the big picture, and he wanted the job.

After two plus years as governor, he has no real plan only tax increases. La. is climbing the ladder as far as taxes go and really there is little to show for it.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14515 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:09 pm to
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After two plus years as governor, he has no real plan only tax increases


QFT
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:09 pm to
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He did say he was going to cut back on the nursing homes, right?

don't know. if he did, that's something that could legitimately be hung around his neck, just like the medicaid expansion will when we have to start paying for a bigger portion of it
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Everyone has lined up behind Paula Davis (hot) .4

#MeToo...

MAGA
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
6600 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:46 pm to
House coming back at 1:30. It's being reported that members may be converging around a .45 compromise.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:46 pm to
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If we had begun to change out spending habits three years ago then a lot of this could have been avoided.


Why change 3 years ago? What about 8 years ago when we starting have budget crisis.

Jindal did such a marvelous job, why didnt he cut spending?
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19311 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:55 pm to
SCOTUS solved this problem for Louisiana.

Simply pass a bill similar to what South Dakota did for online purchases.

If that doesn't raise enough, then maybe you should go ahead and merge with Texas.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14515 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:56 pm to
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Why change 3 years ago? What about 8 years ago when we starting have budget crisis.

Jindal did such a marvelous job, why didnt he cut spending?


Uhmmm, he did. Look at the linked graph below. His administration is between the high points of the Katrina revenue surge and the JBE administration.

He could have cut more, but that is a FAR cry from saying he is some sort of JBE clone in the spending department.


Total spending

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