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re: McCabe claims Trump believed Putin over U.S. intelligence on North Korea
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:21 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:21 pm to cajunangelle
Given the recent fackery of our Intelligence Community....don't blame DJT
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 2:22 pm
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Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:21 pm to cajunangelle
Why would he believe US anything over Putin? They were trying to impeach/invoke 25th amendment/ e'erthang on his arse.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:22 pm to NC_Tigah
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Why do you trust one terrible liar of a politician over another?
Because one was ELECTED POTUS.
I'll run that over to Ken Starr's office back in '97 Sad answer
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:29 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Misquoted, misspoke.....still serves my point that as/after he stated that he misspoke or was misquoted, he still continued to praise Putin's intel over his own Intel Communities' position, which totally debunked his misquoted/misspoken statement....
And this is an obvious lie as well. Trump never "praised Putin's intel" he merely stated that as a factual matter Putin denied that Russians hacked anything and as an opinion Trump thought he was credible.
Credible in the face of all facts to the contrary, now where have I seen LIBERALS say that before ? Oh that's right, Dr Ford. Funny how you dumb shits just 3 months ago believed credible testimony was factual, but if Trump believes someone is credible he's a bad man LOL you guys are clowns.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:31 pm to ConwayGamecock
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quote: Well, Nixon certainly proved he couldn't be trusted, not the office of the presidency. But that's not your logic - you're not saying, "don't trust people within the FBI who lied or deceived you".....you're saying "don't trust the FBI". So you just contradicted your own logic. Congrats are in order???
Wrong Dim! You're using one untrustworthy individual (Nixon) and somehow with your pretzel logic making the equivalency of Nixon being untrustworthy with what's happened in the FBI/DOJ...., these two organizations have experienced systemic issues because of mass corruption in leadership positions.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:34 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Gosh, Ken Starr was attempting a coup d'etat too? You should write a book with that info.
I'll run that over to Ken Starr's office back in '97
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:36 pm to cajunangelle
Then Putin saved us from fighting a war we're not prepared to fight. Bush's folly's, and Obama's stupidity has left the Military in a predicament that will take a decade, massive funding, and desperately needed new leadership in the Pentagon to fix.
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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As asked previously, should W have not trusted Putin's Iraq WMD intel more than his own?
NoKo had shown no ability to get a missile, much less a missile with a warhead, much much less a missile with a nuclear warhead to the US.
McCabe claims ""ALL"" our intel folks said NoKo had that capability. Why in hell would you trust a lying POS like McCabe revealing top Secret POTUS Intel conversations on 60Minutes?
That is an apples to oranges comparison. Because Bush, Cheney, and their administration only saw what they wanted to see. Bush did not need to refer to Putin's position on Iraq's WMD, because the truth has been determined that the majority of US Intelligence also DID NOT believe there to be such weapons.
Oh, of course, there WERE WMD in Iraq. There were rotting, decaying caches and piles of chemical/biological WMD that the United Nations inspections teams found and catalogued, that were so unstable, it was hard to determine a safe method of destroying them. But they were useless as far as deploy-able weapons that could be used against anyone - most likely even attempting to handle them, would result in casualties to the Iraqi forces more than to any enemy factions.
But read the Select Committee on Intelligence Report "Post War Findings About Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare With Pre-War Assessments" - you may wish to skip all of the boring particulars and minutia, go to Page 57 for "E. Conclusions" for the report's findings.
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On the issue of weapons of mass destruction in general, the report found that administration officials exhibited a “higher level of certainty than the intelligence judgments themselves.” The report also found that, “Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.”
IMO, Bush should have trusted his own Intelligence Community's assessments more than his own Administration's desire to pummel Iraq into the desert sand....and to hell with whatever Putin had to say about it....
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:14 pm to ConwayGamecock
quote:Geaux back to Wonderland, Alice.
because the truth has been determined that the majority of US Intelligence also DID NOT believe there to be such weapons.
Do you think Colin Powell was in on the W hoax too. Did he just make up the intel he presented?
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:26 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:GWB the dumbest dunce of a president eVar... yet still smart enough to convince the state department, CIA, MI6, numerous democrats and foreign leaders into support an invasion all by himself.
Do you think Colin Powell was in on the W hoax too. Did he just make up the intel he presented?
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:34 pm to wfallstiger
quote:. . . including the fact that factions of that fackery were trying hard to undermine his Administration.
Given the recent fackery of our Intelligence Community....don't blame DJT
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:36 pm to NC_Tigah
It's pretty easy to wonder and conject during the fact, when one doesn't have all the answers. It's kinda harder to support it all however after the fact, when the assessments are showed to be painfully wrong. Powell did admit after the fact that his assessments were "badly flawed", and that his U.N. presentation was based on evidence that was wrong.....
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:43 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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On top of that, they are also pissed off all the stupid predictions about nuclear war with NK didn't come true either.
The highest form of TDS
:pagingFT:
Posted on 2/18/19 at 4:00 pm to ConwayGamecock
quote:Powell thought he had all the answers.
It's pretty easy to wonder and conject during the fact, when one doesn't have all the answers.
He thought that because US intel told him so.
It is what US intel led him to believe.
Right?
That, of course, would be the same US Intel systems advising Trump.
That, of course, would be the same Trump whom factions of those intel units were trying to undercut.
The same Trump who held HEALTHY skepticism of US intel extrapolations based on past invalidity of similar extrapolations.
Of course the far more important outcome of those undoubtedly classified WH intel meetings (which McCabe just publicly revealed Snowden-style) is that NoKo has not launched another missile or tested another bomb. The ultimate objective of said meeting was to stop the NoKo efforts. Right? They've stopped. Right?
Then again, assumptions of truth regarding anything McCabe claims at this point is quite a shaky precept. Hell, McCabe's own spokesperson, Melissa Schwartz, is trying to walk back some of his most recent BS assertions.
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 4:05 pm to cajunangelle
Given the leadership of the U.S. intelligence community was engaged in an attempted coup d'etat I'd say he was on target.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 4:24 pm to Bunyan
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How many Trump campaign "convictions" for Russian collusion?
We won't know the final tally until after it's all said and done. But Trump's campaign manager just violated his plea agreement by lying about his collusion with Russians during the election to illegally help Donald Trump win. So between 1 and 100?
Posted on 2/18/19 at 4:26 pm to BamaAtl
quote:NO SIR!
We won't know the final tally until after it's all said and done. But Trump's campaign manager just violated his plea agreement by lying about his collusion with Russians during the election to illegally help Donald Trump win. So between 1 and 100?
Try again, hotshot.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 7:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:well, agree to disagree I guess. imo your scenario would only be a failure if the intent of the SC was to bring down trump. and I know the deep state people love to scream that it was, but those people are insane. they believe in monsters. its not.
Every special counsel in history has nailed people for process crimes. They get skins on the wall to justify their existence.
People lie, especially politicians, for a myriad of reasons. However, if that all that an investigation results in, then it's a big fail.
if all Mueller does is clear trump of any wrongdoing, that would be great, no one actively wants the President to be under the control of Russia, the SC would still be a complete success. at the time, trump said he was looking forward to that.
Trump: "As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know -- there was no collusion between my campaign and any foreign entity."
and he wasn't alone. Republicans all loved Mueller when he was appointed. right up until he actually started arresting them.
- House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) also praised the Mueller pick, saying he is confidence he will “serve with integrity and professionalism, and will conduct a thorough and fair investigation.”
- Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas), who’s leading the House investigation into Russia’s election meddling, said he doesn’t know Mueller personally but that he “has a great reputation in the industry.”
- Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) noted that the appointment of Mueller, who was twice unanimously confirmed as FBI director by the Senate, would make it easier for senators to install Comey’s successor at the bureau. “He’s a well-respected law enforcement professional.”
- Mueller “has sterling credentials and is above reproach,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. “Because of his experience leading the FBI for more than a decade, Mr. Mueller has established relationships with FBI agents and will be able to move forward quickly. He is well respected on both sides of the aisle and will inspire public confidence in the investigation.”
- Darrell Issa (R- CA): "Mueller will go where the facts lead."
- “I see it as a positive thing, especially having Bob Mueller involved,” Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said. “It brings a lot of public credibility to whatever process they go through.”
- Paul Ryan: “My priority has been to ensure thorough and independent investigations are allowed to follow the facts wherever they may lead. The addition of Robert Mueller as special counsel is consistent with this goal, and I welcome his role at the Department of Justice.”
Posted on 2/18/19 at 7:14 pm to BamaAtl
Link? Konstantin Kilimnik is a russian National who was Manafort’s lawyer in Ukraine
Where has mueller alleged Manafort colluded with Russia?
Where has mueller alleged Manafort colluded with Russia?
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 10:11 pm to cajunangelle
frick. If I were in his position, I'd probably believe Putin over our intelligence agencies.
Our intelligence agencies went balls to the wall with trying to "get trump " by any means necessary. Them + our doj have even went after and spied on just about everyone connected to trump. I'd believe just about anyone else over our corrupt intelligence agencies.
Our intelligence agencies went balls to the wall with trying to "get trump " by any means necessary. Them + our doj have even went after and spied on just about everyone connected to trump. I'd believe just about anyone else over our corrupt intelligence agencies.
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