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re: Matt Walsh discusses an often unmentioned wrinkle in murder statistics.

Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:31 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:31 am to
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I don't think it's multiculturalism... but an indifference to justice in sacrifice to "equity".

Same issue as multiculturalism.

From 1965 to 1995 there was barely an increase in the progressive rhetoric around equity. We were still arguing equality in that time period within that time period, crime absolutely exploded.

From 1995 to 2025, we saw a huge increase in the use and authority of equity -based arguments. During this time. We saw a huge decrease in crime.

You cannot link the increase in equity seeking with an increase in crime. The inverse is true.

Also, for smooth brains, this is not an argument saying the search for equity leads to lower crime rates. It's only addressing the inverse argument that increased equity seeking leads to increased crime, which I disproved
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 8:32 am
Posted by Tupelo
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:32 am to
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Even this doesn't work because you're ignoring the post 1995 data of crime in multicultural hubs decreasing dramatically



The number of people in the most violent age group (young) started declining as the baby boomers aged out of that group. That, along with longer sentences for the worst offenders, likely drove the decline in crime rates post 1995.
It's just a fact, however, that many people survive injuries today who would have died from similar injuries in 1966. Therefore, the statistics for homicide rates today compared to 1966 can't help but be impacted.
I suspect the increased prevalence of hard drugs (and their trafficking) in society has also had a major impact on the aggravated assault increase.
As a general observation on my part, the people who are the least likely to raise children properly, end up being the ones that have the most children. It's little wonder things tend to go in the wrong direction.
Posted by Clames
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:39 am to
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Seems the white man's medical advances have even allowed multiculturalism to be less deadly than it ought to be.



This has been known, research from 20 years ago that looked at advances in ER gun-shot wound triaging and treatment, the speed at which they can assess the internal damage, mitigate blood loss, and stabilize the injury to allow a patient enough time to get into surgery has vastly improved.
Posted by trinidadtiger
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:44 am to
Wouldnt these stats be quite different if we included illegals which most stats dont capture, I notice the headers are US women, men etc?

Can you imagine the medical burden on taxpayers since the vast majority of these people have no medical insurance?

Id say the same is true for the reduction of overdose deaths. I bet you overdoses are the same, its the deaths that have decreased cause everyone and his brother now had a narcan canister with them.

This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 8:47 am
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:50 am to
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honestly, this hadn't occurred to me. I figured they were just manipulating statistics.




one thing to is that we now have cell phones. we don't have to send somebody 2 blocks away to call 911. Now we make a call and they'll send an EMS/Cops within 30 seconds.

one of the rare Cell Phone Ws.
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:49 am to
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From 1965 to 1995 there was barely an increase in multiculturalism.


False.

And I already conceded there were other factors that can increase or decrease criminality.

There is no debating it, black and brown demographics commit considerably more violent crimes per capita.

Since this is the case you cannot argue that the less white an area gets the less safe it gets.

My point here is that our cities aren't "safer" because medical tech is saving more lives. These cities are still much less safer than they were years prior.
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:50 am to
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they do not support your argument about multiculturalism leading to an increase in crime.


Black and brown populations commit a lot more violent crime.

This is not up for debate.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:52 am to
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Keeping this tidbit in my back pocket for future family gatherings

Probably why your family doesn't like you
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:55 am to
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Probably why your family doesn't like you


Feelings over facts.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:58 am to
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From 1965 to 1995 there was barely an increase in the progressive rhetoric around equity.


I guess we know you weren’t an adult during this time frame.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:38 am to
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And I already conceded there were other factors that can increase or decrease criminality.

There is no debating it, black and brown demographics commit considerably more violent crimes per capita.


And we have more 1995-2025, so based on your theory, crime should be higher here than 1965-1995 when there were fewer people you reference.

Your point fails.

quote:

My point here is that our cities aren't "safer" because medical tech is saving more lives. These cities are still much less safer than they were years prior.

Not 1965-1995, when these factors you claim are causing these issues were less impactful.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:39 am to
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I guess we know you weren’t an adult during this time frame.

Again, which era had a larger increase in impact of the push for equity on society:

1965-1995 or 1995-2025?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:42 am to
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Wouldnt these stats be quite different if we included illegals which most stats dont capture,

States capture data on major crimes committed by illegals. They are included.

Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 12:23 pm to
Why are you unable to understand that I am not claiming that criminality is 100% connected to racial demographics?
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 12:28 pm to
Melt
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 2:55 pm to
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Again, which era had a larger increase in impact of the push for equity on society:


That’s not what you said.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:03 pm to
I don't see why this is that controversial, you can ask the average American and he can tell you the actors that are most heavily predisposed to criminal activity

I don't think multiculturalism (which is broad enough it could include anyone) is necessarily a crime indicator if we don't include native-born minorities. But that's unique to the US.

Do this analysis in practically all of Europe and it tracks very cleanly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:41 pm to
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Why are you unable to understand that I am not claiming that criminality is 100% connected to racial demographics?

Why are you pivoting to "racial demographics" now?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:42 pm to
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That’s not what you said.

I was leading him there and you jumped in so I just skipped to the end for you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:44 pm to
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I don't think multiculturalism (which is broad enough it could include anyone) is necessarily a crime indicator if we don't include native-born minorities. But that's unique to the US.

Do this analysis in practically all of Europe and it tracks very cleanly.


Correct.
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