re: Massie the only republican to vote against the SAVE Act

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Good. Me having a different idea of what Conservatism is (and also a correct idea) doesn’t make me an enemy of the country. You’re so far over your skis, you don’t know if you’re taking off or landing.

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If you don't think protecting and following the constitution is what conservationism is, then I'm just really not sure what to tell you.

You just seem like another leftist to me.

If it makes you feel better, my philosophy is you defend against foreign enemies with the sword, you defend against domestic enemies with the pen.

But you are definitely not on my side, and you are definitely not a conservative.

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This is a functional view of Natural Law that isn’t well supported by history or history of religions.

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It just happened to be that way for good reason randomly?

I mean I suppose the bible doesn't specifically say - because it frick up your kids and future generations, but it seems very much implied to me.

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Would you say on the whole that the Judeo-Christian world developed way differently than thr Muslim world?

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No

The post-Roman OG Catholic world did

Jewish areas and Orthodox Christian areas lagged way behind in the Renaissance onward

Is Massie on the Soros payroll?

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just happened to be that way for good reason randomly?

I mean I suppose the bible doesn't specifically say - because it frick up your kids and future generations, but it seems very much implied to me.

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Laws against incest predate Jewish people by several centuries, which means they predate the Jewish prohibition in the OT by a few more centuries

You’re just another self-important fig who’s not getting anything done. Your distinguishing characteristic is that you’re bad at arguing on top of it.

“People who don’t believe like me are against the Constitution.”

And then top it all up with “you seem like a leftist.”

The irony is thick enough to cut with a poop knife.

Which Christian nations resemble Mulsim nations today?

Can you tell me how developed was defined for your response to be no?

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Which Christian nations resemble Mulsim nations today?

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Like Russia? They're part of the non-Catholic/Orthodox areas referenced.

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Can you tell me how developed was defined for your response to be no?

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Did you actually read my entire response or stop and make assumptions?

The path from Greece to Rome to people inventing Christianity under the Roman empire (specifically to respond to the Roman society) to a Roman emperor adopting Christianity (and the efforts to make that work), to the Western Roman empire falling while preserving that cultural exchange is what led to the divergence almost 1000 years later and what we call "Western culture" developing.

It's not all sects of Christianity and Judaism played a small, if insignificant role (due both to low population/influence and being subjugated during most, if not all, of this period).

It was the combination of having to re-learn society while still having vestiges of the Greco-Roman culture (both in terms of what was left to organize society AND, more importantly, the effort to reclaim that glory) that ultimately led to a reason-based rebuilding of society and a culture based around that reason.

It's not anything specific to Christianity itself, becaues Orthodox areas kept on humming until the fall of Constantinople and never came close to what we'd call "Western society" today. They had like 1000 years to do it and never came close. In that same time period, the Muslim areas surpassed them, in many ways.

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How is Russia like Muslim nations from a morality perspective?

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Ignoring that it's the largest Muslim country in Europe, it's a backwards, poor, authoritarian state just like what you'd expect in Muslim countries. They even rely on petro from keeping them out of the absolute gutter economically, like many Muslim countries.

Russia, Greece, and the Orthodox countries were always more poor than their European counterparts but-for some periods of the Ottoman Empire (which was Muslim). There is a reason for that.

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I wouldn't tie wealth to morality.

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Wait you were only talking about morality with this quesiton?

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Would you say on the whole that the Judeo-Christian world developed way differently than thr Muslim world?

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Yes or no?

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At least not Christian morality.

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Christian principles v. how Christianity has been used in society are 2 very different things.

This is a much bigger issue with over relying on Christianity (as a specific religion) with Western culture (which largely separated from the pack due to capitalism and achieving the very excess you're referencing as a sin in Christianity's principles). But that's probably too much for this board post-2019