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re: Massie the only republican to vote against the SAVE Act
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then no. That's illogical
How so? If you are unwilling to do something necessary to survive, you do accept our fate on some level.
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You're conflating stated policy goals with how to get there. And you're using a very broad way to define those policy goals, which isn't smart, but you do you.
The goals, and how to accomplish them, are interconnected. They go hand in hand.
If you don’t like broad, let’s work on narrowing them down, but that requires effort on your part, and you have never shown interest in doing so.
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Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:07 pm to GRTiger
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So laws are in place to govern morals? I thought we disagreed on that.
What are examples of laws that are not related to the morals of society?
The only legit purpose of government is to protect the liberty of the people, not to push your moral code on others, thus stripping them of their liberty.
Otherwise, whose moral code are we to follow?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:09 pm to 3down10
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The only legit purpose of government is to protect the liberty of the people, not to push your moral code on others, thus stripping them of their liberty.
This is the numb nut who thinks conservatism is libertarianism.
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:11 pm to 3down10
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That's a social conservative, not a conservative.
If you’re not a social conservative, you’re not a conservative
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:13 pm to 3down10
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protect the liberty of the people,
The rub is in how they go about determining which rights they aim to protect and f4om where they divine the treatment plan (ie which laws to implement to achieve the goal.)
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Otherwise, whose moral code are we to follow?
Theoretically a government can use anyone's moral code. Muslim countries use Muhammad's moral authority to divine their laws.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:13 pm to the808bass
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This is the numb nut who thinks conservatism is libertarianism.
If you aren't trying to conserve the constitution and have a limited government, exactly what are you trying to conserve?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:13 pm to 3down10
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This is a straight up lie.
It’s not. You’re just not willing to follow your libertarianism to its logical conclusion.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:15 pm to GRTiger
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The rub is in how they go about determining which rights they aim to protect and f4om where they divine the treatment plan (ie which laws to implement to achieve the goal.)
It's pretty obvious if you are infringing on the rights of others, then it's wrong. Theft, murder, rape, fraud, etc.
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Theoretically a government can use anyone's moral code. Muslim countries use Muhammad's moral authority to divine their laws.
I said legitimate governments.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:15 pm to 3down10
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exactly what are you trying to conserve?
The moral identity of the country, as laid out by the founders.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:16 pm to the808bass
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It’s not. You’re just not willing to follow your libertarianism to its logical conclusion.
So you want to apply slippery slope fallacies?
I guess that means you want handmaids tale and for everyone to spend all their free time in church.
Dumbass.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:17 pm to GRTiger
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The moral identity of the country, as laid out by the founders.
So..the constitution.
Of which is a republic that is based with it's only purpose to be protecting the rights of it's citizens.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:18 pm to 3down10
Should incest be legal? What about lying to the government about your legal status? Ostensibly that doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights.
Point taken, but in the absence of an alternative, those are the legit governments of those shithole countries.
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I said legitimate governments.
Point taken, but in the absence of an alternative, those are the legit governments of those shithole countries.
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:20 pm to GRTiger
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differently than thr Muslim world?
The Muslims just had different trials and errors. Duh.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:23 pm to GRTiger
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Should incest be legal? What lying to the government about your legal status? Ostensibly that doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights.
Incest is not a victimless crime because it causes defects in the offspring.
What do you mean about lying to the government about your legal status? Are you asking about illegal immigration?
The problem with illegal immigration is really a problem of the welfare state. Where the government steals from 1 person and gives it to another, infringing on their right to have private property. Thus creating an incentive for others to come here and take the stolen money/property.
If we were a moral country, who didn't steal from it's citizens we wouldn't have an immigration problem to start with.
Aside from that, it's again not a victimless crime because they steal the resources from other citizens, spread disease and so forth.
So I'm not sure where you get the notion these things do not infringe on anyone else's rights. Are you going to claim abortion doesn't infringe on the rights of the unborn next?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:25 pm to 3down10
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If you aren't trying to conserve the constitution and have a limited government, exactly what are you trying to conserve?
Society.
Libertinism is not a valuable view.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:25 pm to 3down10
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Incest is not a victimless crime because it causes defects in the offspring.
So does smoking, drinking, and drug use.
Should they be illegal for pregnant women?
What about gay incest?
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What do you mean about lying to the government about your legal status?
It was a random example. Perjury applies to any lie told under oath. Is every lie told under oath an affront to someone's rights and liberties?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:26 pm to the808bass
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Society.
Libertinism is not a valuable view.
If you do not support and defend the constitution, then you are a domestic enemy to society.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:26 pm to 3down10
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Incest is not a victimless crime because it causes defects in the offspring.
This is a weak basis for prohibiting incest. If you were logically consistent, you would then extend genetic testing to other potential issues That might arise from two people procreating and restrict marriage licenses on that basis.
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:27 pm to 3down10
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Are you going to claim abortion doesn't infringe on the rights of the unborn next?
No, but many people who don't ascribe to Christian morals do it every day.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:28 pm to GRTiger
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So does smoking, drinking, and drug use.
Should they be illegal for pregnant women?
Sure
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What about gay incest?
I don't care what you and your brother do.
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It was a random example. Perjury applies to any lie told under oath. Is every lie told under oath an affront to someone's rights and liberties?
You're just grasping for some kind of gotcha moment.
At any rate, your question is now so vague and general as to not have a valid response.
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