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re: Marjorie Taylor Greene mocked for suggesting solar and wind energy don’t work at night
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:17 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:17 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure. Organizations like Berkshire are investing in the market because it's not viable...
I don't know if you're dishonest or stupid, but you have a habit of responding with non sequiturs. You did it earlier when someone talked about the country and you immediately responded with anecdotes about the 2nd or 3rd least dense state in the country. Here I say that market forces and government subsidies are two different things and you come back with "viable". Yeah, sucking off the government tit can be viable as hell, but it still isn't a market driven effort.
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:18 am to billjamin
Residential energy costs in Puerto Rico are nearly double the US's. If your Summer gas and electricity bills doubled, you'd probably throw those panels back up too. The program was defunded in last year after an 8 year run, so for many folks including several of my own neighbors, they had already passed the 5 year threshold and still elected not to replace.
It just boils down to the economics of it.
It just boils down to the economics of it.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:19 am to Flats
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So real that just last year in California they had to ask people to dial back their use at night to avoid blackouts. I suspect that's exactly what she was talking about and wants to avoid spreading their idiocy to other areas.
So did Texas last year AND this year. Multiple times. So did other grids. Why is one rooted in renewables as the root cause and not the others?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:20 am to Flats
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You did it earlier when someone talked about the country
Why the frick would we only focus on population centers? Are you a Democrat?
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Yeah, sucking off the government tit can be viable as hell, but it still isn't a market driven effort.
This demonstrates that you're either too stupid to understand the point, or that you realize it makes you look like an idiot and are trying to misrepresent it.
Either way, you're a moron.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:21 am to Volvagia
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Why is one rooted in renewables as the root cause and not the others?
We know why. It's the same people, over and over again.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:21 am to Flats
It isnt viable, but like many things it becomes viable as governments price fossil out of the marketplace. Thats what investors are banking on. shite, even O&G corporations like Shell are shifting resources to renewables because they see the handwriting on the wall.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:23 am to teke184
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If you are running your house off solar, it ain’t lasting too long once night rolls around.
People who use solar have battery banks that run everything at night.
I’m genuinely shocked at how many people in this thread seem to believe the lights just go out at 10:30 every night
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:24 am to Volvagia
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Why is one rooted in renewables as the root cause and not the others?
Renewables is A root cause in all of them.
Ameren Illinois had a 120% increase in their electric rates, year over year.
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Blessing blames the capacity price spike on a clean energy transition moving too slowly. "There's a lot of fossil fuel generation, specifically coal generation, is retiring. And the renewable generation coming online is not coming on quickly enough to keep pace," Blessing said. "So more coal is retiring than what renewables are adding." That's led to a situation where MISO is warning about broader grid reliability concerns. The north and central regions of MISO - which includes much of Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, and parts of Missouri - came up about 1,200 megawatts short of what's needed to shore up energy reserves enough to ensure reliability.
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:25 am to Roger Klarvin
Get a booster, Rog.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:25 am to Roger Klarvin
Not the folks around here. You have to be hooked up to a regulated service provider, and you merely feed a solar generated offset back into the commercial grid to lower your usage. There is no storage at all.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:26 am to Vacherie Saint
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It isnt viable, but like many things it becomes viable as governments price fossil out of the marketplace. Thats what investors are banking on. shite, even O&G corporations like Shell are shifting resources to renewables because they see the handwriting on the wall.
Exactly, and it's dishonest or stupid to insinuate that since private investors/companies are doing it too that's somehow different than a government mandate. Government mandates are the only reason it's viable right now for those private companies.
I'm not against renewables, I'm against the government distorting the market to push them.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:27 am to Vacherie Saint
Perhaps I should have specified people who use solar alone, which is what I assumed the post in question was referring to.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:28 am to BayouBlitz
12 pages on MTG, 
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:30 am to Vacherie Saint
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Residential energy costs in Puerto Rico are nearly double the US's.
I was referencing time to rebuild.
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If your Summer gas and electricity bills doubled, you'd probably throw those panels back up too
There is at least 1 thread a day about this on the OT in La.
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The program was defunded in last year after an 8 year run, so for many folks including several of my own neighbors, they had already passed the 5 year threshold and still elected not to replace.
You're neighbors are not indicative of how the bigger fleets are performing, both production or customer retention. I can only assume some Mormon EPC slinger came in and sold a bunch of shitty panels under a local or state incentive program. I hope they paid those loans off already or used insurance money to do so. With fuel surcharges doing what they have, and with a half way decently designed system there is quite a bit of savings.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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People who use solar have battery banks that run everything at night.
I’m genuinely shocked at how many people in this thread seem to believe the lights just go out at 10:30 every night
My argument here is about battery bank availability, efficiency and cost. They don't just get manufactured out of thin air. They don't last forever. They're expensive to replace.
People that act like you throw some solar panels on your roof and you never pay for electricity again are a special kind of stupid.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:31 am to hawkeye007
quote:In the last two weeks I learned how many knights MTG and Alex Jones have here.
12 pages on MTG,
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:32 am to Flats
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I'm not against renewables, I'm against the government distorting the market to push them.
I agree with you. Do you feel the same way about the new nuclear PTC?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:32 am to Roger Klarvin
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I’m genuinely shocked at how many people in this thread seem to believe the lights just go out at 10:30 every night
Well, some of these same idiots will look at a $500 power bill and think solar is too expensive or that companies aren't going to look for alternatives.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:33 am to Roger Klarvin
Even then, that's almost no one. Less than 2% of US power generation is solar. The average home uses almost 900 Kwh/mo and the average solar system generates no more than about 250.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:35 am to billjamin
I dont know anyone who is against a diversified energy portfolio including nuclear. I know a ton of people who are against manipulating the energy economy to force it before its organically commercially viable.
Thats exactly what's happening.
ETA: I find it rather predictable that the posters in here laughing and calling everyone stupid are the ones who appear to know the least about how this all works.
Thats exactly what's happening.
ETA: I find it rather predictable that the posters in here laughing and calling everyone stupid are the ones who appear to know the least about how this all works.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 10:37 am
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