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re: Marjorie Taylor Greene mocked for suggesting solar and wind energy don’t work at night
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:33 am to Flats
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:33 am to Flats
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Californians were asked to reduce peak loads just last year (maybe this year as well, I never looked) to avoid blackouts.
Because California is run by idiots who prioritize fake political wins over the welfare of the people in their state.
They're one example of how you get it wrong. Greene is another.
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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idiots who prioritize fake political wins over the welfare of the people in their state.
How many people pushing heavily for renewables does that not describe?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:54 am to Flats
An interesting little tidbit from the Hurricane Ida impact zone is that NO ONE with solar panels are bothering to reinstall them on their new roofs.
They took the subsidy on the promise of a lower power bill and discovered the hard truth; there isnt enough useable real estate on the average residential roof to lower their power bills by an impactful amount.
They took the subsidy on the promise of a lower power bill and discovered the hard truth; there isnt enough useable real estate on the average residential roof to lower their power bills by an impactful amount.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:58 am to Flats
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How many people pushing heavily for renewables does that not describe?
Depends whether "pushing heavily" is limited to government mandates and their supporters, or if we're including private users, investors, etc.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:14 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Depends whether "pushing heavily" is limited to government mandates and their supporters, or if we're including private users, investors, etc.
How many people pushing heavily for renewables are NOT looking for government subsidies, including private users and investors? I'm betting it's essentially zero, and it sure doesn't include Montana.
https://montanarenewables.org/renewable-energy/financing-incentives/
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:25 am to BayouBlitz
This shite aside, you have to admit that she's pretty fricking stupid.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:37 am to Flats
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How many people pushing heavily for renewables are NOT looking for government subsidies, including private users and investors? I'm betting it's essentially zero, and it sure doesn't include Montana.
How many people in general aren't looking for government subsidies for something?
Sorry, but you're not making a compelling argument here.
If you want to bitch about federal mandates, I'm on board. But complaining about something that even supposed anti-establishment folks take advantage of won't get us anywhere.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:51 am to Vacherie Saint
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An interesting little tidbit from the Hurricane Ida impact zone is that NO ONE with solar panels are bothering to reinstall them on their new roofs.
It took years to rebuild Puerto Rico after Maria and that was without the current supply chain issues. I've seen no fleet data from any of the big operators indicating there is an abandonment rate of more than 1-2%.
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They took the subsidy on the promise of a lower power bill and discovered the hard truth; there isn't enough useable real estate on the average residential roof to lower their power bills by an impactful amount.
There are rules, this can only happen if the system is 5 years old. Otherwise they're paying back all those subsidies.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:53 am to Texas Weazel
What do we have to lose by letting "dumb" people run things?
Obama is currently running things behind the scene and he's supposedly smart.
America in 2022 is what you get when "intellectuals" run the country.
Obama is currently running things behind the scene and he's supposedly smart.
America in 2022 is what you get when "intellectuals" run the country.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:54 am to Texas Weazel
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This shite aside, you have to admit that she's pretty fricking stupid.
Stop being just another pussy in a world of pussies.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:59 am to Flats
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You should read her actual paragraph and not the lie in the OP's title.
I did.
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Thank god for air conditioning. Let’s talk about refrigerators. I personally like my refrigerator. I know you all like yours. What about washing machines and dryers? Lord please God don’t make me scrub clothes in a bucket and have to hang them out on a line when we switch over to wind turbines and solar panels. I’m gonna be really pissed off about that. I mean, how absurd is this? I like the lights on. I wanna stay up later at night. I don’t wanna have to go to bed when the sun sets. It’s so silly! I mean, all of this is absolutely insane.
Please explain my summary of her statement is in contradiction to the above.
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claim that using solar/wind means no lights or modern amenities after sunset?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:03 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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If you want to bitch about federal mandates, I'm on board. But complaining about something that even supposed anti-establishment folks take advantage of won't get us anywhere.
I don't know or care where you're trying to get. You admit that the government will screw up this process and put politics over real progress. You throw out "private users and investors" as if those are driven by market forces as opposed to the same thing that drives government: tax dollars.
Point 1: Right now, there are few if any renewable efforts that are driven by the market, Montana included.
Point 2: When renewables are relied on too heavily they are insufficient and will lead to sacrifices, which is what Greene was talking about.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:04 am to Volvagia
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claim that using solar/wind means no lights or modern amenities after sunset?
If we only used our current “renewable” energy capacity, she is 100% correct.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:06 am to the808bass
But we aren’t planning on doing that, so we are back to the first part of my quote:
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she made up a scenario which has no attachment to reality as storage is part of the deployed grid in many renewable heavy areas
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:08 am to Flats
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I don't know or care where you're trying to get.
I'm not trying to get anywhere. I made a direct counterpoint.
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You admit that the government will screw up this process and put politics over real progress.
Admit.
I've made the point multiple times.
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You throw out "private users and investors" as if those are driven by market forces as opposed to the same thing that drives government: tax dollars.
Sure. Organizations like Berkshire are investing in the market because it's not viable...
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which is what Greene was talking about
No, it isn't.
As usual, she was making a fool of herself.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:10 am to Volvagia
I’m all for moving to renewables at its own pace. Not just because of a climate change boogie man.
But her fear mongering trashing solar/wind here is just as absurd as those who are pushing for the destruction of the oil/gas industry.
Again, there are grid level energy storage systems already in use so large they could power all of Louisiana for days. The logic that you need continual input from solar to make it viable is false.
But her fear mongering trashing solar/wind here is just as absurd as those who are pushing for the destruction of the oil/gas industry.
Again, there are grid level energy storage systems already in use so large they could power all of Louisiana for days. The logic that you need continual input from solar to make it viable is false.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:10 am to Volvagia
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Please explain my summary of her statement is in contradiction to the above.
This is the post I responded to:
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So your point is that she made up a scenario which has no attachment to reality as storage is part of the deployed grid in many renewable heavy areas to claim that using solar/wind means no lights or modern amenities after sunset?
Her scenario was simply talking about relying too heavily on renewables, which is very much attached to reality. So real that just last year in California they had to ask people to dial back their use at night to avoid blackouts. I suspect that's exactly what she was talking about and wants to avoid spreading their idiocy to other areas.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:10 am to Volvagia
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But we aren’t planning on doing that
LINK
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The White House hopes to push Congress to pass a law requiring the U.S. grid to get 80% of its power from emissions-free sources by 2030.
The goal would fall short of President Joe Biden’s stated ambition of net-zero carbon emissions in the grid by 2035.
You wanna try again?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:13 am to the808bass
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You wanna try again?
Why? When you didn’t contradict me?
Nothing in that link claims to try doing that with current generation capacity.
Do you even realize that even Texas is the largest generator of renewable power in absolute terms, and is one of the top states in developing additional capacity?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:14 am to Volvagia
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Nothing in that link claims to try doing that with current generation capacity.
Oh. You’re playing stupid. Got it.
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