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re: Marine One came within 0.8 miles laterally & 700ft vertically of a passenger jet
Posted on 8/7/26 at 7:06 pm to stout
Posted on 8/7/26 at 7:06 pm to stout
That ain't nothin......Joe Biden was playing D.E.I. and fast tracking a female Captain helicopter pilot with barely enough flying time that ended in disaster. She was piloting an Apache Black Hawk helicopter on a certification training mission along the Potomac River near Washington,D.C., got testy with her male military instructor and flew that Apache right into incoming American Airline Flight 5342. She killed herself, two others in the copter, and 64 people in the passenger jet, including our top figure skaters and their parents returning from competition.
This report of this Marine One incident is just another attempt by the MSM to discredit President Trump.
They're relentless in their hatred for him.
This report of this Marine One incident is just another attempt by the MSM to discredit President Trump.
They're relentless in their hatred for him.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 10:07 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Funny how you still refuse to justify your positions. I explained exactly why they aren't parallel, and your only response was "nuh uh" followed by name calling and a call for me to stop mentioning Einstein. You don't support your assertions, which is exactly what you accuse me of when you use the word "baseless" so often. You need to start justifying what you are claiming to be true, and if you disagree with me, explain why.
Yes, they are.
quote:More deflection. Instead of addressing what I said, you respond by mocking me and accusing me of hating science.
Whatever man, that’s “just a theory”. You hate scientific theories and pretend they aren’t an explanation of observable, testifiable, and falsifiable facts conclusively to the overwhelming preponderance of evidence of the truths of our natural universe. Regardless, you are an asshat to even raise the issue of Einstein in regard to what is “fast”. Einstein’s equations don’t and can’t set an objective definition for “fast”. What you claimed to be “fast” is merely your irrational and arbitrary opinion by your own logical standard. Own up to it.
You didn't refute what I said. You only claimed that I'm wrong. Try again. You hold no weight and credibility to merely assert me being wrong after your continual demand that I was wrong about the early Christian view of Jesus coming from the literal sperm of David only to finally realize you misunderstood the only source you could find on the topic. You need to show your work. At least I'm attempting to support my statements with particulars.
quote:Prove it. I've gone into great detail to explain myself. You just keep responding with "lies" and "stupidity" without showing your work. Don't be lazy.quote:More lies or stupidity on your part.
Moral relativism, on the other hand, denies there's any invariant standard behind the variation moral preferences.
quote:Again you show that you don't understand what is being said.
You obtuse piece of shite. You think Usain Bolt and some kid on a football team have a standard for “fast” that is invariant? You know you are full of shite and are a troll.
Usain Bolt and Jonny Football are both measured by the same scale, whether someone has access to that or not. Our perception of what is "fast" may be variable by comparison to other objects, but not according to the objective and invariable standard we use for measurement. If you watch a football player run, he may be "fast" in comparison to other players around him, but when you watch Usain Bolt run, you know he's much faster than the football player.
However, the perception of speed is one thing, but you can actually time them both according to one standard and see which one is faster than the other, and you can use that data to compare to other observed data to show whether or not either of them are actually "fast" in an objective sense. Usain is objectively "fast" by comparing his actual speed to the measurements of other human runners. You can compare him to the measured speed of a bullet and say he's "slow" by comparison. The bullet is also "slow" compared to the fastest measured/stated speed, which is the speed of light, which is where we get to Einstein.
Speeds may be comparative, and we may use "fast" and "slow" subjectively to describe relative speeds of objects (a person vs. a bullet), but all of that can be measured according to a singular, objective standard that doesn't change (in a vacuum) across observers: the speed of light.
Morality, on the other hand, has no "speed of light" constant to measure by in your worldview of moral subjectivity. There is no singular moral speedometer to use to compare the moral "speeds" of Hitler and Gandhi to in order to say one is "faster" (better) than the other.
So again, it's apples and oranges. I hope you get it now.
quote:Prove it. Don't just assert it. You've got a habit of not supporting your statements.quote:False.
1. I'm not a hypocrite
quote:
Jesus is a fictional character.
keep saying that. It doesn't help your credibility.This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 12:06 am
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:28 am to stout
0.8 miles laterally and 700ft vertically is a long way in aviation. The normal minimum vertical separation of flight paths is 500 feet. I’m sure they want to keep the president farther than that, and a mistake is still a mistake, but that wasn’t a near miss.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:34 am to stout
Reagan International is a shite show and everyone knows it…
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:09 am to stout
Separation violation involving POTUS. Presidential movement has priority handling over a commercial flight and I don't understand how that could happen. Definately sounds like a contoller frick up.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:10 am to Knight of Old
This whole discussion is a big nothing Burger. Marine One pilots are the best of the best. They have been taught to fly in combat formations a hundred feet apart. 700 ft vertical and .8 miles horizontal separation is literally forever to them.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:10 am to FooManChoo
quote:
FooManChoo
Retarded, lying, obtuse piece of shite who asserts objective facts from his own speculation, assumptions, imagination, and presuppositions.
By your own logic, your assertion of something being “fast” is subjective, based on your personal opinion, and “by definition” is irrational and meaningless.
Posted on 8/10/26 at 10:56 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." -Attributed to Socrates
Retarded, lying, obtuse piece of shite
quote:I give support for every argument I make, and if I haven't, feel free to call me out on it so I can provide it, but as you know by now, I spend a lot of time writing out my responses for the purpose of clarity and support. I may fail in that attempt, but I'm at least attempting it.
who asserts objective facts from his own speculation, assumptions, imagination, and presuppositions.
You, on the other hand, do the exact thing you accuse me of, and when I call you out, you resort to ad hominem attacks (see above).
quote:That isn't my logic. That's your logic, or lack thereof.
By your own logic, your assertion of something being “fast” is subjective, based on your personal opinion, and “by definition” is irrational and meaningless.
Here's what I said previously, which you seem to have ignored:
quote:I'll say it again: I didn't say subjectivity is what makes something definitionally irrational, but I was referring to moral subjectivity specifically, precisely because there is no objective standard you can appeal to in such a moral framework to guide judgement one way or another in a non-arbitrary way. I've explained this several times, and yet you still aren't putting 2 and 2 together.
I didn't say that anything that is subjective is irrational. I said if morality is subjective, then it is arbitrary by definition. Not because subjectivity is necessarily arbitrary, but because moral subjectivity is necessarily arbitrary. You took my specific statement about moral subjectivity and expanded it to all subjectivity, which is not a logical conclusion of my statement.
The key to my statement was what you quoted second: "arbitrariness is irrational". If something is arbitrary, it is definitionally irrational. Moral subjectivity is necessarily arbitrary, and therefore it is definitionally irrational. What I was condemning was the arbitrariness of moral subjectivity.
So no, me saying something is "fast" is not irrational, because speed is ultimately tied to a grounded concept that exists outside the human mind, even if our perception of it and its correspondence to different objects is relative. Morality doesn't work that way in your worldview. You can subjectively interpret an objective truth, but that requires the objective truth to exist in the first place. In your worldview, there is no objective moral truth to ground all perceptions and interpretations.
When it comes to morality, there is no "speed of light" constant to utilize and apply to other "speeds" (moral standards and judgements). There is no objective measurement one can use in your worldview to say one moral framework is better or worse than another. You need some ultimate measuring tool to compare them to, and one does not exist in your worldview. That means morality is nothing more than arbitrary preferences, which could be otherwise, and often change over time based on the preferences of individuals changing over time.
It's arbitrary, which is why it's irrational. It's why I have previously compared it to one's favorite color or flavor of ice cream. There is no objective standard for what constitutes the "best" or "ideal" color or ice cream flavor that you could use to compare an individual's preferences to to know how they measure up. It's arbitrary. Like your concept of morality, which is why your view is irrational.
This post was edited on 8/10/26 at 12:24 pm
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