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re: Man fights red light ticket; gets fined for practicing engineering without a license
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
The saddest part is that he does have an engineering degree.
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Dude is right. He's gonna beat the ticket again
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wonder if the Pyramid builders were licensed by the Pharos?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:07 pm to mmcgrath
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The saddest part is that he does have an engineering degree.
Something I have often wondered. I know that I will be called a fool and corrected on the matter.
Why if you go to an accredited university or institution of higher learning, and pass all the coursework with a sufficient grade. (The grade that is required by the accredited institution, and probably is required to maintain that accreditation.) Why should you have to go a get an additional license? Sure if you want some other certification or something, you need to maintain or pass further testing. But why should you have to get a license to practice something you spent 4+ years learning at a place that is deemed acceptable by the people you have to get the license from?
Same goes for an attorney. You should be able to go to law school and complete all the coursework with sufficient grades or pay your money and try to pass the bar to practice. But why both? I know that that would be weird water to get in with medicine,... But getting your JD from an accredited institution should give you the "bar", you would still be able to be debarred and no longer practice. AND before someone says, this school is better than this school ..., then make the accreditation more strict or the requires to pass more difficult.
ETA, I will throw in the first downvote.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Interesting that you posted this today as I was engaged in a discussion about red lighta today.
Question: To receive a valid ticket for running a red light, what is the official standard regarding how much of your vehicle has passed the white stop line when the light goes red?
There seems to be no consensus on this.
Some say break the plane of the white stripe while it is yellow, some say front wheels, some say clear the white stripe with the entire vehicle.
Question: To receive a valid ticket for running a red light, what is the official standard regarding how much of your vehicle has passed the white stop line when the light goes red?
There seems to be no consensus on this.
Some say break the plane of the white stripe while it is yellow, some say front wheels, some say clear the white stripe with the entire vehicle.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:11 pm to ChineseBandit58
Fined for being smart. Awesome. I'm sure it will not be a fine but a tax.
Ninth Circuit only gets involved with social engineering.That's their game.
Ninth Circuit only gets involved with social engineering.That's their game.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:21 pm to The Rodfather
quote:Because when you come out of school you still don't know shite. You learn how to learn in school....you learn how to practice your trade after you have been on the job for a while.
But why should you have to get a license to practice something you spent 4+ years learning at a place that is deemed acceptable by the people you have to get the license from?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:27 pm to The Rodfather
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But why should you have to get a license to practice something you spent 4+ years learning at a place that is deemed acceptable by the people you have to get the license from?
it's just a way to increase the barrier to entry, typically due to political pressure from professional groups to limit their competition
government loves it b/c it creates an ally for more government (when called upon) and it gets to spend that sweet, sweet stolen booty
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:28 pm to DonChowder
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Because when you come out of school you still don't know shite. You learn how to learn in school....you learn how to practice your trade after you have been on the job for a while.
That is the beauty of the open market. If people are willing to hire you straight out of school and risk themselves over hiring someone that is insufficient they can, but they won't. And therefore you will be required to go work for a firm or someone with experience and a good reputation to "practice your trade after you have been on the job for a while.".
People typically go take the bar shortly after graduation, they don't go learn their trade for years then go take the bar. They may not pass it the first time but that isn't the point.
Same with engineers, they may not stamp drawings right away but I would bet that very few if any graduate and start their own firm, and start designing large projects. My point is not that certifications (PE,...) should not exist, just that the whole idea of being licensed AFTER completing the coursework seems like a double tax of sorts. Why not have the licensing testing be part of the course work? Certifications as a requirement to perform certain task or work is perfectly acceptable, adding the license to that seems excessive, but hey then they wouldn't be able to fine this ole baw in Oregon for doing math without a license.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's just a way to increase the barrier to entry, typically due to political pressure from professional groups to limit their competition
government loves it b/c it creates an ally for more government (when called upon) and it gets to spend that sweet, sweet stolen booty
Agreed!
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:30 pm to The Rodfather
I'll take it one step further. If you could pass the test, why can't you get the license. School or no school, if you can pass the test you should be able to practice. That being said I was a party chief for 12 years and I don't have a license. I don't see where the government has a leg to stand on here.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
If I do my own taxes, am I practicing accounting without a license (certification)?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
I hate those cameras
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:43 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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If I do my own taxes, am I practicing accounting without a license (certification)?
Yes, but in the same principle, you are allowed to represent yourself in a court of law.
I'm not sure if you are allowed to engineer your own home though, or perform your own medical procedure?
I know that you have to have a license to cut hair, give massages, and do others nails for money. All of which, like stamping engineered drawings for a hotel that could fail and kill thousands if not properly designed, could have horrible consequences for the general public that you would service.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this may be the best/worst story about government i've heard in the past year or two
Don't pay the fine...What are they going to do, suspend his PE stamp that he doesn't have
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:57 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Only a properly vetted PE ought to be able to do that kind of high level math.
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Man fights red light ticket; gets fined for practicing engineering without a license
All the PE's bout to rush in and shite on all the non PE's in 5 4 3 2 1
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Järlström is now suing the state board over that fine, arguing that it's unconstitutional to prevent someone from doing math without the government's permission.
The Engineering Board must be pissed because he found they have been doing something wrong. LOL
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's just a way to increase the barrier to entry, typically due to political pressure from professional groups to limit their competition
You can take the bar exam at any time. demonstrate sufficient knowledge and you can practice.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
To sum this last week up: Science good, Math bad.
I can only conclude that liberals now only support science that does not involve math. Instead of math, just perform calculations using feelings. But not the types of feelings had by racist, sexist, xenophobic white males, but those feelings consistent with progressive dogma.
Whew, math seems easier.
I can only conclude that liberals now only support science that does not involve math. Instead of math, just perform calculations using feelings. But not the types of feelings had by racist, sexist, xenophobic white males, but those feelings consistent with progressive dogma.
Whew, math seems easier.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:15 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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The Engineering Board must be pissed because he found they have been doing something wrong. LOL
Luckily he hasn't refused to engineer a gay wedding cake
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