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re: Man fights red light ticket; gets fined for practicing engineering without a license
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:17 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:17 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Not correct. Only 5 states will allow you to practice law without law school. And even then you are required to work under a judge or lawyer for an extended period of time.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:20 pm to GumboPot
quote:
As long as I don't call myself an engineer I'm cool, right?
quote:But... Scruffy is a sanitation engineer. There HAVE to be exceptions, man!
Generally you are right. There are some nuances by state. I don't recall what those nuances are. It's been 12 years since I took the PE.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:17 pm to The Rodfather
quote:
I know that you have to have a license to cut hair, give massages, and do others nails for money.
You forgot arrange flowers and sell caskets.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
According to the board, Järlström's research into red light cameras and their effectiveness amounts to practicing engineering without a license.
I mean Jesus f'ing Christ, frick our government so much.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:25 pm to The Rodfather
quote:
Yes, but in the same principle, you are allowed to represent yourself in a court of law.
False, you can always represent yourself as a pro se litigant.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:28 pm to kingbob
That was discussed earlier. We were talking about practicing not self rep'ing
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:49 pm to The Rodfather
quote:
Not correct. Only 5 states will allow you to practice law without law school. And even then you are required to work under a judge or lawyer for an extended period of time.
Until the late 1960s most states would allow you to sit for the Bar, Professional Engineer, and CPA exams without completing formal course work.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
According to the board, Järlström's research into red light cameras and their effectiveness amounts to practicing engineering without a license.
This is a load of shite right here.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
As some one who is working towards a PE, I hope he rakes Oregon over the coles with this.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Apparently i was incorrect. Removing post to not spread misinfo..
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:25 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
However, most states do not require that you have a license to work as a Professional Engineer (Louisiana included).
Sure.
Try calling yourself a Professional Engineer in Louisiana, offering engineering work without a license, and let me know how that works out for you.
LAPELS would fine your arse.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:25 pm to GumboPot
quote:
As a practicing PE this is total bull shite.
quote:
And I hope he wins his lawsuit.
+1
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:26 pm to waiting4saturday
quote:
As some one who is working towards a PE, I hope he rakes Oregon over the coles with this.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:28 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
However, most states do not require that you have a license to work as a Professional Engineer (Louisiana included).
um no
You can't even so much use the word "engineering" for any company name or public service offering in LA without a PE "signing off" on it.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:31 pm to makinskrilla
quote:
I hate those cameras
Florida Supreme Court expected to shite can em shortly.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:36 pm to CptRusty
What happens if someone does? Like if their business card says engineer but they don't even have a 4 year degree much less a PE?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
It might be different for me since I am a Software Engineer and there is no concept of "plans" to sign off on such as with civil engineering.
At my work place a Bachelors in Engineering or a Masters in Engineering works as long as you have at least 60 hours of science and mathematics.
Here are the quals required for a General Engineer at my employer:
Basic Requirements:
A. Degree: Engineering. To be acceptable, the program must: (1) lead to a bachelor’s
degree in a school of engineering with at least one program accredited by ABET; or (2)
include differential and integral calculus and courses (more advanced than first-year
physics and chemistry) in five of the following seven areas of engineering science or
physics: (a) statics, dynamics; (b) strength of materials (stress-strain relationships); (c)
fluid mechanics, hydraulics; (d) thermodynamics; (e) electrical fields and circuits; (f)
nature and properties of materials (relating particle and aggregate structure to properties);
and (g) any other comparable area of fundamental engineering science or physics, such as
optics, heat transfer, soil mechanics, or electronics.
OR
B. Combination of education and experience -- college-level education, training, and/or
technical experience that furnished (1) a thorough knowledge of the physical and
mathematical sciences underlying engineering, and (2) a good understanding, both
theoretical and practical, of the engineering sciences and techniques and their
applications to one of the branches of engineering. The adequacy of such background
must be demonstrated by one of the following:
1. Professional registration or licensure -- Current registration as an Engineer Intern
(EI), Engineer in Training (EIT)1
, or licensure as a Professional Engineer (PE) by any
State, the District of Columbia, Guam, or Puerto Rico. Absent other means of
qualifying under this standard, those applicants who achieved such registration by
means other than written test (e.g., State grandfather or eminence provisions) are
eligible only for positions that are within or closely related to the specialty field of
their registration. For example, an applicant who attains registration through a State
Board's eminence provision as a manufacturing engineer typically would be rated
eligible only for manufacturing engineering positions.
2. Written Test -- Evidence of having successfully passed the Fundamentals of
Engineering (FE)2
examination or any other written test required for professional
1
For more information about EI and EIT registration requirements, please visit the National Society of Professional
Engineers website at: LINK .
2
The FE examination is not administered by the U. S. Office of Personnel Management. For more information,
please visit: LINK .
2
registration by an engineering licensure board in the various States, the District of
Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico.
3. Specified academic courses -- Successful completion of at least 60 semester hours of
courses in the physical, mathematical, and engineering sciences and that included the
courses specified in the basic requirements under paragraph A. The courses must be
fully acceptable toward meeting the requirements of an engineering program as
described in paragraph A.
4. Related curriculum -- Successful completion of a curriculum leading to a bachelor's
degree in an appropriate scientific field, e.g., engineering technology, physics,
chemistry, architecture, computer science, mathematics, hydrology, or geology, may
be accepted in lieu of a bachelor’s degree in engineering, provided the applicant has
had at least 1 year of professional engineering experience acquired under professional
engineering supervision and guidance. Ordinarily there should be either an
established plan of intensive training to develop professional engineering
competence, or several years of prior professional engineering-type experience, e.g.,
in interdisciplinary positions. (The above examples of related curricula are not allinclusive.)
At my work place a Bachelors in Engineering or a Masters in Engineering works as long as you have at least 60 hours of science and mathematics.
Here are the quals required for a General Engineer at my employer:
Basic Requirements:
A. Degree: Engineering. To be acceptable, the program must: (1) lead to a bachelor’s
degree in a school of engineering with at least one program accredited by ABET; or (2)
include differential and integral calculus and courses (more advanced than first-year
physics and chemistry) in five of the following seven areas of engineering science or
physics: (a) statics, dynamics; (b) strength of materials (stress-strain relationships); (c)
fluid mechanics, hydraulics; (d) thermodynamics; (e) electrical fields and circuits; (f)
nature and properties of materials (relating particle and aggregate structure to properties);
and (g) any other comparable area of fundamental engineering science or physics, such as
optics, heat transfer, soil mechanics, or electronics.
OR
B. Combination of education and experience -- college-level education, training, and/or
technical experience that furnished (1) a thorough knowledge of the physical and
mathematical sciences underlying engineering, and (2) a good understanding, both
theoretical and practical, of the engineering sciences and techniques and their
applications to one of the branches of engineering. The adequacy of such background
must be demonstrated by one of the following:
1. Professional registration or licensure -- Current registration as an Engineer Intern
(EI), Engineer in Training (EIT)1
, or licensure as a Professional Engineer (PE) by any
State, the District of Columbia, Guam, or Puerto Rico. Absent other means of
qualifying under this standard, those applicants who achieved such registration by
means other than written test (e.g., State grandfather or eminence provisions) are
eligible only for positions that are within or closely related to the specialty field of
their registration. For example, an applicant who attains registration through a State
Board's eminence provision as a manufacturing engineer typically would be rated
eligible only for manufacturing engineering positions.
2. Written Test -- Evidence of having successfully passed the Fundamentals of
Engineering (FE)2
examination or any other written test required for professional
1
For more information about EI and EIT registration requirements, please visit the National Society of Professional
Engineers website at: LINK .
2
The FE examination is not administered by the U. S. Office of Personnel Management. For more information,
please visit: LINK .
2
registration by an engineering licensure board in the various States, the District of
Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico.
3. Specified academic courses -- Successful completion of at least 60 semester hours of
courses in the physical, mathematical, and engineering sciences and that included the
courses specified in the basic requirements under paragraph A. The courses must be
fully acceptable toward meeting the requirements of an engineering program as
described in paragraph A.
4. Related curriculum -- Successful completion of a curriculum leading to a bachelor's
degree in an appropriate scientific field, e.g., engineering technology, physics,
chemistry, architecture, computer science, mathematics, hydrology, or geology, may
be accepted in lieu of a bachelor’s degree in engineering, provided the applicant has
had at least 1 year of professional engineering experience acquired under professional
engineering supervision and guidance. Ordinarily there should be either an
established plan of intensive training to develop professional engineering
competence, or several years of prior professional engineering-type experience, e.g.,
in interdisciplinary positions. (The above examples of related curricula are not allinclusive.)
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
A pissing match on both sides and lots of billable hours for a pack of lawyers.
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