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re: Mall of La / BR General petition for Annexation into City
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:45 pm to Kramer26
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:45 pm to Kramer26
Learn about the cooperative agreements both the BRFD and the BRPD have with the sheriff & unincorporated area fire departments. Then come back and make intelligent comments.
For example, BRFD has agreed to provide fire protection to Towne Center which is in the unincorporated part of the parish. BRPD provides crime scene investigators all over the parish since the EBR sheriff does not have trained personnel for that nor does the sheriff have a crime lab.
The recent operation taking down that gang in the Gardere area was a cooperative effort between the sheriff, BRPD and state police.
For example, BRFD has agreed to provide fire protection to Towne Center which is in the unincorporated part of the parish. BRPD provides crime scene investigators all over the parish since the EBR sheriff does not have trained personnel for that nor does the sheriff have a crime lab.
The recent operation taking down that gang in the Gardere area was a cooperative effort between the sheriff, BRPD and state police.
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:49 pm to LSUFanHouston
That's correct. But until the recent SG push began, no one was asking to be annexed. That should tell you property owners in the unincorporated areas don't consider it an advantage to be annexed which contradicts your earlier statement that city property owners get more benefits from the unincorporated areas than the other way around.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:52 pm to LSURussian
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For example, BRFD has agreed to provide fire protection to Towne Center which is in the unincorporated part of the parish. BRPD provides crime scene investigators all over the parish since the EBR sheriff does not have trained personnel for that nor does the sheriff have a crime lab.
The recent operation taking down that gang in the Gardere area was a cooperative effort between the sheriff, BRPD and state police.
That Towne Center agreement may be on the rocks with the whole incorporation thing, saw St George respond to an issue at Whole Foods the other day.
Why Towne Center just doesn't incorporate is beyond me, with two BRFD firehouses within a mile or two radius. And completely surrounded by incorporated BRPD protection.
But as you say, with all the handshake deals, it never mattered until now whether you were incorporated or unincorporated.
BRPD provided Mall of Louisiana protection for a while when the mall first opened
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:03 am to Lloyd Christmas
quote:Two words: Phil Witter.
Why Towne Center just doesn't incorporate is beyond me, with two BRFD firehouses within a mile or two radius.
And his horses.....
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:06 am to LSURussian
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Two words: Phil Witter.
oh yeah, forgot about that.
Incorporation will come once that is settled
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:13 am to LSURussian
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That should tell you property owners in the unincorporated areas don't consider it an advantage to be annexed which contradicts your earlier statement that city property owners get more benefits from the unincorporated areas than the other way around.
Which bring me back to my original question... why do people in the city of BR care about people in unincorporated EBR forming their own city? The only explanation I can come up with is, and this is something that people have stated, is that the city of BR stands to lose something if St George happens. But... I don't understand what they would lose. Unless... the something they stand to lose is money produced in unincorporated EBR being used to subsidize city of BR stuff (though the idea that it's all one pot of money).
If anyone is going to lose any money over this, of course it will be the parish of EBR. But, the parish of EBR also won't have to provide certain services inside the new city limits of St George, so revenue goes down, but so does expenses. St George keeps their revenue (or a share) and has their own police, fire, etc. St George residents will prob have to pay higher taxes, but again, why does anyone in the city of BR care about that?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:25 am to LSUFanHouston
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Which bring me back to my original question... why do people in the city of BR care about people in unincorporated EBR forming their own city? The only explanation I can come up with is, and this is something that people have stated, is that the city of BR stands to lose something if St George happens. But... I don't understand what they would lose. Unless... the something they stand to lose is money produced in unincorporated EBR being used to subsidize city of BR stuff (though the idea that it's all one pot of money).
If anyone is going to lose any money over this, of course it will be the parish of EBR. But, the parish of EBR also won't have to provide certain services inside the new city limits of St George, so revenue goes down, but so does expenses. St George keeps their revenue (or a share) and has their own police, fire, etc. St George residents will prob have to pay higher taxes, but again, why does anyone in the city of BR care about that?
An independent study was done by an LSU Economist that concluded that the City-Parish budget could face a $53 Million budget shortfall if St. George incorporated. The majority of that loss is due to sales tax revenue generated by the Mall and Perkins Rowe.
Currently, those sales taxes fund the City-Parish budget. If incorporated into St. George, those sales taxes would go towards their budget. The decreased services provided in these small areas near the border no where near make up for the loss of the total revenue.
The Mall of Louisiana is an economic driver for the entire region. Currently, those tax dollars serve the entire parish. Should St. George take it, it would only serve St. George. If Baton Rouge takes it, the money would still serve the entire parish. So what is the most equitable solution there for the parish as a whole? I think it's obvious.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:28 am to Mickey Goldmill
Not to mention Baton Rouge being saddled with legacy costs. St. George is off the hook of the debt/retirement it incurred with Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 12:30 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:40 am to LSURussian
Link? To where I ran down BR
Sure I criticized the mayor, but please don't put words in my mouth as if I said it was shite.
Sure I criticized the mayor, but please don't put words in my mouth as if I said it was shite.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:45 am to Mickey Goldmill
And on the other hand the police dept. Is moving into a new building that cost 10 million dollars. The whole parish paid for that, but only the city is provided police protection.
The police serve the city, the sheriff the entire parish.
Both are funded by the parish
The police serve the city, the sheriff the entire parish.
Both are funded by the parish
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:51 am to doubleb
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And on the other hand the police dept. Is moving into a new building that cost 10 million dollars. The whole parish paid for that, but only the city is provided police protection.
If you're referring to the Women's Hospital building, that will house both the sheriff and the city police and will be the public safety complex for the entire parish.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:40 am to Layabout
You need to tell the Sheriff
He just opened his own new HQ by the airport. I don't think he wants in.
He just opened his own new HQ by the airport. I don't think he wants in.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:18 am to doubleb
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He just opened his own new HQ by the airport. I don't think he wants in.
That's a leased building with a five year lease. The sheriff is scheduled in the second phase of the Women's Hospital renovation, probably when their lease expires.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:25 am to doubleb
quote:You're kidding, right? You've been posting how unsafe Baton Rouge is, how badly the roads suck, how dishonest all its politicians are and now you claim you haven't been putting down Baton Rouge? You've become a joke of a poster.
Link? To where I ran down BR
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:33 am to doubleb
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You need to tell the Sheriff
Okay, does he read nola.com???
quote:LINK
Council members had nothing but praise for the purchase. The 24-acre facility at Airline Highway and Goodwood Boulevard will first be used to house the headquarters for the Baton Rouge Police Department, and plans call for it eventually to expand to house the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office and an Emergency Medical Services station.
Or, the Advocate???
quote:LINK
The former Woman’s Hospital is officially on its way to becoming a new public safety complex for Baton Rouge Police and the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office.
You're really out of touch with the news. Or did your memory fail you again?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:33 am to LSURussian
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You're kidding, right? You've been posting how unsafe Baton Rouge is, how badly the roads suck, how dishonest all its politicians are and now you claim you haven't been putting down Baton Rouge? You've become a joke of a poster.
So if a poster criticizes a few of your buddies that are politicians or if one complains about I-10, and if a poster points out that the mayor had no police academies for three years while crime escalated then you are declared to be a joke of a poster by the board authority Royal Russian. Fine, call me a joke if you want to, but then I don't resort to pulling numbers(38 million) out of thin air to push my "cause", and I don't add 9-2+2 and get 11, and I don't come here and repeatedly call people who take issue with my opinions idiots or whatever the demeaning term du jour is.
Oh and I don't make bets and welch on them either.
It is what it is sir, and I think most people here see you for what you are, but yea I know, you don't care. You keep acting the arse again and again.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:35 am to Layabout
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Did they really expect the city to just roll over and let the St. George people grab a big chunk of their tax revenue?
If it's unincorporated then how is it "their" money?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:35 am to doubleb
quote:You're a joke....
Fine, call me a joke if you want to
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:36 am to constant cough
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If it's unincorporated then how is it "their" money?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:45 am to LSURussian
quote:And somehow only the property owners necessary to satisfy the conditions to make the Mall of Louisiana eligible for annexation have seen the benefits of annexation. No other property owners adjacent to Baton Rouge reached the same conclusion that being part of Baton Rouge would be beneficial. But there were never any inducements, positive or negative, made to specific property owners in order to influence their decisions. It was purely coincidental.
The property owners must ask to be annexed.
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