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re: Mall of La / BR General petition for Annexation into City
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:27 pm to doubleb
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:27 pm to doubleb
quote:You're welcome.
Oh I remember the belt tightening but I had remembered basically a standstill budget with a flight increase after the recession But you are tight there was a slight drop in expenditures so I see.
A $12 million decrease in expenditures is significant for a city and parish the size of Baton Rouge and EBR. BR balanced its budget and even attained an AAA credit rating, the only La. city to have the best credit rating.
But let's just pretend everything about BR is shite. That's what you prefer to believe.
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:47 pm to LSURussian
I don't live in the BR area, so I have no dog in this hunt.
But what I can't for the life of me understand is, why do residents of the city of BR give any care about what the residents of unincorporated EBR do? Why do they care if parts of unincorporated EBR make their own city?
The city of St George would not take one red penny of tax revenue from the city of BR. It would only take money from the parish of EBR.
UNLESS... due to the crazy/stupid city/parish system over there, money raised in unincorporated EBR was being used inside BR city limits for BR city functions.
And if that's the case... isn't there a much larger issue?
But what I can't for the life of me understand is, why do residents of the city of BR give any care about what the residents of unincorporated EBR do? Why do they care if parts of unincorporated EBR make their own city?
The city of St George would not take one red penny of tax revenue from the city of BR. It would only take money from the parish of EBR.
UNLESS... due to the crazy/stupid city/parish system over there, money raised in unincorporated EBR was being used inside BR city limits for BR city functions.
And if that's the case... isn't there a much larger issue?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
EBR has a consolidated form of government. There is no separation of monies between the city of BR & the unincorporated areas of the parish.
That consolidation was done in the early 1990's to reduce duplication of services and duplicate personnel performing the same services for both the city & the parish.
That consolidation was done in the early 1990's to reduce duplication of services and duplicate personnel performing the same services for both the city & the parish.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:11 pm to LSURussian
quote:
EBR has a consolidated form of government. There is no separation of monies between the city of BR & the unincorporated areas of the parish.
See, I admit, this is something I do not understand. Why not just pull in everything that is not Zachary, Baker, or Central, and call it city of BR?
If there is only one pot of money, why is their police in the city, and a seperate police department for the parish? Why is there fire protection in the city, and a seperate fire protection for the unincorporated area.
For the outsider, it looks like those who live in unincorporated EBR are paying for services that only residents of the city of BR receive.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
You are exactly correct.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:15 pm to Kramer26
No he isn't. Taxes that are not already dedicated go into the City/Parish General Fund to be used across the entire parish. The Metro Council has the final say so on the budget each year and can allocate the general fund in whatever manner they see fit.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If there is only one pot of money, why is their police in the city, and a seperate police department for the parish? Why is there fire protection in the city, and a seperate fire protection for the unincorporated area.
Many are pushing for consolidation of these services as well.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:The property owners must ask to be annexed. Property taxes are slightly higher inside the city limits so some property owners don't want to be included inside the city limits. As a counter to that, insurance rates are lower inside the city because of the added protection provided by the slightly higher property tax rates.
Why not just pull in everything that is not Zachary, Baker, or Central, and call it city of BR?
quote:See above.
why is their police in the city, and a seperate police department for the parish? Why is there fire protection in the city, and a seperate fire protection for the unincorporated area.
quote:Nope.
For the outsider, it looks like those who live in unincorporated EBR are paying for services that only residents of the city of BR receive.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
But what I can't for the life of me understand is, why do residents of the city of BR give any care about what the residents of unincorporated EBR do? Why do they care if parts of unincorporated EBR make their own city?
The city of St George would not take one red penny of tax revenue from the city of BR. It would only take money from the parish of EBR.
UNLESS... due to the crazy/stupid city/parish system over there, money raised in unincorporated EBR was being used inside BR city limits for BR city functions.
And if that's the case... isn't there a much larger issue?
It's not as simple as that, and I'm sure there is a post describing it somewhere in the archives that better describes it.
try this:
You and your friend go in halves on a boat, which each of you have free use of. You put the large down payment on it. Then you buy all the bells and whistles, rods and reels, to put on the boat. Since then, you have been paying about 40% of the note and he about 60%. Over time, you have both put in about the same amount. For simplicity's sake, you both agreed to have the boat in your friends name because he was able to get tax deduction off of it(hypothetical).
One day, your friend says he is going to take ownership of the boat, because its in his name, and not let you use it anymore. He argues that it should be his because he pays more of the note now, even though over time you have put in similar amounts. He is angry that you used the boat more times than he did last year, even though he chose to do other things. He says that due to the paperwork, it is legal for him to screw you out of your investment, even though there was a good faith agreement between you before.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:18 pm to Kramer26
quote:You just revealed a lack of understanding.
You are exactly correct.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:24 pm to Lloyd Christmas
quote:
it is legal for him to screw you out of your investment,
I get the story, but I don't get the relevance. It seems to me that, if LSURussian is correct, that it's one big pot of money. So people in unincorprated EBR have paid for things owned by the city of BR, and people in the city of EBR have paid for things that are owned by unincorporated EBR, which would turn over to city of St George.
Again... I think what is complicating everything is the consolidated form of government.
Because... if River Ridge wanted to incorporate, I don't think the people of Kenner or Harahan would give a care.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:25 pm to LSURussian
A relevant news story. The Gardere area is in the proposed SG. The Sheriff's office just opened up their 7th substation in the Gardere area.
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Who pays for that? The entire parish. People in the city limits who are primarily serviced by the BRPD are also helping pay for the Sheriff's Dept.
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Who pays for that? The entire parish. People in the city limits who are primarily serviced by the BRPD are also helping pay for the Sheriff's Dept.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
And the unincorporated area subsidizes the BRFD while not receiving BRFD service. They have to pay another tax that funds St. George/East Side fire dept.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:28 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Again... I think what is complicating everything is the consolidated form of government.
A consolidated government works much better without so many other cities within the same parish, imo. For example, Kip Holden is both the Mayor of Baton Rouge and the President of East Baton Rouge Parish. So you in effect have residents of the cities of Baker, Zachary, Central, and potentially St. George voting on who the Mayor of Baton Rouge is. They all have their own mayors already but they get to vote because they are choosing their Parish President.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:29 pm to LSURussian
quote:
The property owners must ask to be annexed.
Only because that is currently the law. That could be changed. There might not be political will to change, but it could be changed.
I just don't see the benefit of the metro government thing. It seems like people inside the city limits are at an advantage to people outside city limits.
But... my experience is with New Orleans... which I guess you could argue has a sort of metropolitain form of government... but the city limits are the same as the parish boundaries... so there is none of this unincorporated stuff. And Jefferson Parish isn't consolidated... so you have the parish, which does certain things, and you have some cities, which provide certain services inside those cities. Outside those cities, those services, if they are provided at all, are provided by the parish. But... City of Kenner has no control over Parish of Jefferson budget, and vice versa.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:32 pm to Kramer26
quote:Absolutely not true. Stop with the erroneous statements. You're looking more and more unknowledgeable.
while not receiving BRFD service.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:36 pm to LSURussian
Oh really so maybe the unincorporated area should just disband St. George and East Side Fire Departments. BRFD won't be able to maintain a class 1 rating if that happens.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:38 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
It seems like people inside the city limits are at an advantage to people outside city limits.
How? If there is a great advantage being in the city, the property owners are free to ask to be annexed. The fact that they rarely do shows it's basically a wash being inside the city or remaining unincorporated.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
It seems like people inside the city limits are at an advantage to people outside city limits.
They fail to mention that they get the vast majority of the parishwide half cent sales tax for road construction.
They decry that no money goes to the schools, yet Woodlawn High and Woodlawn Middle are two of the most recently built in the parish. Lee High is being built which will serve many who St George is planning to bus long distance to Woodlawn.
15 years ago, Baton Rouge is the one supporting the unincorporated area. With slated developments in Baton Rouge proper, along with gentrification of some areas and section 8 housing moving to older St George apt complexes, we could see the shift back to the burden being on Baton Rouge.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:42 pm to LSURussian
quote:
How? If there is a great advantage being in the city, the property owners are free to ask to be annexed. The fact that they rarely do shows it's basically a wash being inside the city or remaining unincorporated.
I thought they could only be annexed if they were on a city border? Or in the current case, next to someone on a city border who also asks to be annexed?
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