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re: Mahmoud KHalil- He gone

Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:24 am to
Posted by charlesmartinmike
North Alabama
Member since Mar 2009
420 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:24 am to
Sometimes it’s hard to figure out if you’re a liar or just stupid.
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
5715 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:32 am to
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apartheid


I don’t think you know what this word means
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5894 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:43 am to
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Being in America while not a citizen is a privilege, not a right.

Even naturalized citizens are on a short leash for 10 yrs.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135587 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 4:19 am to
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Israelis occupy about 20% of Gaza.
... and Arab Israeli citizens comprise >20% of the Israeli population, which renders the "Israeli apartheid" rhetoric to be a sort of unfortunate hyperbole.

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And you are certain that Khalil organized protests that led to this?
Khalil was suspended by Columbia for a full semester. This is not some 18-19y/o college kid we're talking about. The man is a 30y/o bigot, on campus, inciting teenagers and 20-somethings to turn against other people for no reason other than their religion.

I'm more than a little surprised you'd support an antisemite doing antisemitic things.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
32339 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 4:36 am to
This is all that needs to be said. People like pandy tripping over themselves to defend this guy is embarrassing. If the previous admin did this they wouldn’t say a peep
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28613 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:24 am to
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So how long before he's on a plane out of here?


Hopefully as we speak.


Unfortunately, he isn't.

"Khalil's team of attorneys have until April 23 to file relief applications."
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7904 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:35 am to
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agree he's deportable because the Secretary of State determined him to be. I still haven't seen him do anything that's not simple free speech-protected activity.


I know that you know that you can be deported for speech while holding a green car it can be revoked simply based on speech
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
22911 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:11 am to
Not gone yet but hopefully will be deported soon
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8408 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:18 am to
Without the Constitution, we are just another country. I agreed with Texas when Ken Paxton sued over the theft of the 2020 election: if we don't follow the compact of the Constitution, we cease to function as America.

You can keep saying that resident aliens don't have first amendment protections all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Once situated lawfully in the United States (like Khalil was), aliens enjoy First Amendment rights.

Here's standard language on the topic First Amendment article/Middle Tennessee State

"As Justice Francis W. Murphy described the law in his concurrence in Bridges v. Wixon (1945), “the Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.”

In that case, the Court reversed the deportation of labor activist Harry Bridges, an Australian, because of statements he had made that prosecutors charged indicated “affiliation” with the Communist Party. Writing for the Court, Justice William O. Douglas concluded that “freedom of speech and of the press is accorded aliens residing in this country. . . . [T]he literature published by Harry Bridges, the utterances made by him were entitled to that protection.”

Now, this probably doesn't matter in Khalil's case. Using the 1952 statute to argue that the Secretary of State made the determination that Khalil's speech is antisemitic, and, therefore a hindrance to US foreign policy, will probably be enough to defeat any 1st Amendment objections. Whether or not Khalil's speech WAS antisemitic in fact won't matter. Brilliant legal maneuvering by the Trump Administration.

This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 7:32 am
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8408 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:19 am to
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I know that you know that you can be deported for speech while holding a green car it can be revoked simply based on speech


I don't know that. The Supreme Court in Bridges v. Wixon (1945) was clear about resident aliens being protected by 1st Amendment rights.

The Administration's brilliant use of the 1952 statute, however, will probably get around Bridges by labeling Khalil's speech as detrimental to the foreign policy of the US. Also, statements made in support of a terrorist organization probably wouldn't be protected by 1st Amendment, but, apparently there's no evidence of Khalil having made such statements, otherwise we would have seen it.

Whatever the current state of the law, Khalil's case will clarify it...if it makes it to the Supreme Court.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4618 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:24 am to
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You can keep saying that resident aliens don't have first amendment protections all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Once situated lawfully in the United States (like Khalil was), aliens enjoy First Amendment rights.


Virtually every even handed discussion of this subject I've read admits that aliens, legal or not, do not have the same level of security for political speech that citizens have, because they are subject to deportation. It has always been a gray area because, the Bill of rights notwithstanding, the constitution does not grant aliens a "right" to reside in US territory.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18747 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:27 am to
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Comparing people who are citizens with a right to be here to people who are here solely because we allow it is not an apples to apples comparison.


To not understand this people are either being willfully ignorant, or are too stupid to have a discussion with anyway.


People often want to start the argument at point B rather than deal with point A.

He is not a US citizen, he is a guest. He is supporting a terrorist organization. His rights end when they infringe upon mine, and overtaking buildings and obstructing the flow of other students, intimidation, and other nonsense is not free speech.

When your guest is an obnoxious arse, you kick them out....and he has been kicked out. Now watch how quickly all this goes away and ask yourself.....what or who instigated this????
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135587 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:29 am to
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Whether or not Khalil's speech WAS antisemitic in fact
Are you under the impression that is in question despite knowing his actions were so offensive that even Columbia University chose to suspend him for an entire semester?
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67457 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:32 am to
Thank the Lord. I can now sleep soundly …
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8408 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:38 am to
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Are you under the impression that is in question despite knowing his actions were so offensive that even Columbia University chose to suspend him for an entire semester?


I did NOT know that. Thanks. Someone posted that Khalil had not been suspended, and I accepted that as true.

I'm mostly on this Board to check my understanding of reality. I appreciate any corrections. Do you have a link? I will Google now (keeps me from mowing the lawn:)).
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8408 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:48 am to
I couldn't find reference to Columbia suspending Khalil. I found his long opinion piece to the Columbia student newspaper where he lays out his grievances against Columbia. He doesn't mention suspension.

Khalil Letter to Columbia Student Newspaper
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL2
Member since Feb 2024
151 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:51 am to
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Oh no. Protesting! So scary.


Khalil was negotiating on behalf of the people that took over Hamilton Hall, blocked Jewish students from attending class, spewed hate speech, etc.

Imagine if white people were doing this and preventing African Americans from feeling safe to go to school.


Khalil was threatening the administration that they must give in to their demands or blocking access to classrooms, occupying administrative offices, harassing other students, and/or threatening to kill Zionists would continue. And when their demands weren’t met, that behavior continued and escalated to Hamilton Hall incident.

Everyone defends Khalil because he wasn’t physically present at Hamilton Hall. But he was negotiating on behalf of those that ambushed Hamilton Hall, before and after the incident using it as leverage to get what he wanted.

This is like if two people kidnap someone and a third person calls to demand a ransom. Threatening if their demands aren’t met, the kidnapping victim would be killed. The demands don’t get met and the two kidnappers kill the victim. And you are like, the hostage negotiator was just exercising his free speech rights.

No, he was a part of the crime as much as Khalil was a part of the blocking access to classrooms, occupying administrative offices, harassing other students, and/or threatening to kill Zionists.

Khalil was just stupid enough to think that “just being the negotiator” somehow protected him.

You can’t hold a gun to someone’s head and demand concessions and claim it’s free speech. The fact that he was threatening to use mobs of protesters taking over buildings to effectuate his goals, takes this out of the realm of free “speech.”
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 9:02 am
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
19851 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:52 am to
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Imagine President AOC throwing out an Israeli student for “supporting genocide” or Blinken or Hilldawg deporting a foreign student for criticizing Zelensky. You guys are bloodthirsty and just want wins, but never stop to think what may happen when the other side wields that power the same way.


You are such a pussy and come up with some shite that will never happen to justify how big of a pussy you are!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296400 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:53 am to
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I couldn't find reference to Columbia suspending Khalil.


The previous year, he was suspended for a day for which Columbia apologized and reinstated.

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Ten months before U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrested Mahmoud Khalil in the lobby of his Manhattan apartment building, Columbia University suspended the Palestinian graduate student.

The suspension lasted only one day before Columbia — with an apology from the university president’s office, Khalil later said — rescinded the suspension and dropped the disciplinary charges against him.


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“After reviewing our records and reviewing evidence with Columbia University Public Safety, it has been determined to rescind your interim suspension,” wrote Claudia Andrade, an associate vice president with the school’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, in an email obtained by The Intercept. “Good luck on finals and hope you have a wonderful summer.”


LINK
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8408 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:00 am to
Wow. Thanks Roger.

I have spent WAY too much time on this Board, but it's been very educational.

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