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Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:32 am to 4cubbies
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apartheid
I don’t think you know what this word means
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:43 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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Being in America while not a citizen is a privilege, not a right.
Even naturalized citizens are on a short leash for 10 yrs.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 4:19 am to 4cubbies
quote:... and Arab Israeli citizens comprise >20% of the Israeli population, which renders the "Israeli apartheid" rhetoric to be a sort of unfortunate hyperbole.
Israelis occupy about 20% of Gaza.
quote:Khalil was suspended by Columbia for a full semester. This is not some 18-19y/o college kid we're talking about. The man is a 30y/o bigot, on campus, inciting teenagers and 20-somethings to turn against other people for no reason other than their religion.
And you are certain that Khalil organized protests that led to this?
I'm more than a little surprised you'd support an antisemite doing antisemitic things.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 4:36 am to TenWheelsForJesus
This is all that needs to be said. People like pandy tripping over themselves to defend this guy is embarrassing. If the previous admin did this they wouldn’t say a peep
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:24 am to prouddawg
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So how long before he's on a plane out of here?
Hopefully as we speak.
Unfortunately, he isn't.
"Khalil's team of attorneys have until April 23 to file relief applications."
Posted on 4/12/25 at 6:35 am to IvoryBillMatt
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agree he's deportable because the Secretary of State determined him to be. I still haven't seen him do anything that's not simple free speech-protected activity.
I know that you know that you can be deported for speech while holding a green car it can be revoked simply based on speech
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:11 am to BIGJLAW
Not gone yet but hopefully will be deported soon
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:18 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Without the Constitution, we are just another country. I agreed with Texas when Ken Paxton sued over the theft of the 2020 election: if we don't follow the compact of the Constitution, we cease to function as America.
You can keep saying that resident aliens don't have first amendment protections all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Once situated lawfully in the United States (like Khalil was), aliens enjoy First Amendment rights.
Here's standard language on the topic First Amendment article/Middle Tennessee State
"As Justice Francis W. Murphy described the law in his concurrence in Bridges v. Wixon (1945), “the Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.”
In that case, the Court reversed the deportation of labor activist Harry Bridges, an Australian, because of statements he had made that prosecutors charged indicated “affiliation” with the Communist Party. Writing for the Court, Justice William O. Douglas concluded that “freedom of speech and of the press is accorded aliens residing in this country. . . . [T]he literature published by Harry Bridges, the utterances made by him were entitled to that protection.”
Now, this probably doesn't matter in Khalil's case. Using the 1952 statute to argue that the Secretary of State made the determination that Khalil's speech is antisemitic, and, therefore a hindrance to US foreign policy, will probably be enough to defeat any 1st Amendment objections. Whether or not Khalil's speech WAS antisemitic in fact won't matter. Brilliant legal maneuvering by the Trump Administration.
You can keep saying that resident aliens don't have first amendment protections all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Once situated lawfully in the United States (like Khalil was), aliens enjoy First Amendment rights.
Here's standard language on the topic First Amendment article/Middle Tennessee State
"As Justice Francis W. Murphy described the law in his concurrence in Bridges v. Wixon (1945), “the Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.”
In that case, the Court reversed the deportation of labor activist Harry Bridges, an Australian, because of statements he had made that prosecutors charged indicated “affiliation” with the Communist Party. Writing for the Court, Justice William O. Douglas concluded that “freedom of speech and of the press is accorded aliens residing in this country. . . . [T]he literature published by Harry Bridges, the utterances made by him were entitled to that protection.”
Now, this probably doesn't matter in Khalil's case. Using the 1952 statute to argue that the Secretary of State made the determination that Khalil's speech is antisemitic, and, therefore a hindrance to US foreign policy, will probably be enough to defeat any 1st Amendment objections. Whether or not Khalil's speech WAS antisemitic in fact won't matter. Brilliant legal maneuvering by the Trump Administration.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 7:32 am
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:19 am to dafif
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I know that you know that you can be deported for speech while holding a green car it can be revoked simply based on speech
I don't know that. The Supreme Court in Bridges v. Wixon (1945) was clear about resident aliens being protected by 1st Amendment rights.
The Administration's brilliant use of the 1952 statute, however, will probably get around Bridges by labeling Khalil's speech as detrimental to the foreign policy of the US. Also, statements made in support of a terrorist organization probably wouldn't be protected by 1st Amendment, but, apparently there's no evidence of Khalil having made such statements, otherwise we would have seen it.
Whatever the current state of the law, Khalil's case will clarify it...if it makes it to the Supreme Court.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:24 am to IvoryBillMatt
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You can keep saying that resident aliens don't have first amendment protections all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Once situated lawfully in the United States (like Khalil was), aliens enjoy First Amendment rights.
Virtually every even handed discussion of this subject I've read admits that aliens, legal or not, do not have the same level of security for political speech that citizens have, because they are subject to deportation. It has always been a gray area because, the Bill of rights notwithstanding, the constitution does not grant aliens a "right" to reside in US territory.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:27 am to DeathValley85
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Comparing people who are citizens with a right to be here to people who are here solely because we allow it is not an apples to apples comparison.
To not understand this people are either being willfully ignorant, or are too stupid to have a discussion with anyway.
People often want to start the argument at point B rather than deal with point A.
He is not a US citizen, he is a guest. He is supporting a terrorist organization. His rights end when they infringe upon mine, and overtaking buildings and obstructing the flow of other students, intimidation, and other nonsense is not free speech.
When your guest is an obnoxious arse, you kick them out....and he has been kicked out. Now watch how quickly all this goes away and ask yourself.....what or who instigated this????
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:29 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Are you under the impression that is in question despite knowing his actions were so offensive that even Columbia University chose to suspend him for an entire semester?
Whether or not Khalil's speech WAS antisemitic in fact
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:32 am to BIGJLAW
Thank the Lord. I can now sleep soundly …
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:38 am to NC_Tigah
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Are you under the impression that is in question despite knowing his actions were so offensive that even Columbia University chose to suspend him for an entire semester?
I did NOT know that. Thanks. Someone posted that Khalil had not been suspended, and I accepted that as true.
I'm mostly on this Board to check my understanding of reality. I appreciate any corrections. Do you have a link? I will Google now (keeps me from mowing the lawn:)).
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:48 am to NC_Tigah
I couldn't find reference to Columbia suspending Khalil. I found his long opinion piece to the Columbia student newspaper where he lays out his grievances against Columbia. He doesn't mention suspension.
Khalil Letter to Columbia Student Newspaper
Khalil Letter to Columbia Student Newspaper
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:51 am to Bunk Moreland
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Oh no. Protesting! So scary.
Khalil was negotiating on behalf of the people that took over Hamilton Hall, blocked Jewish students from attending class, spewed hate speech, etc.
Imagine if white people were doing this and preventing African Americans from feeling safe to go to school.
Khalil was threatening the administration that they must give in to their demands or blocking access to classrooms, occupying administrative offices, harassing other students, and/or threatening to kill Zionists would continue. And when their demands weren’t met, that behavior continued and escalated to Hamilton Hall incident.
Everyone defends Khalil because he wasn’t physically present at Hamilton Hall. But he was negotiating on behalf of those that ambushed Hamilton Hall, before and after the incident using it as leverage to get what he wanted.
This is like if two people kidnap someone and a third person calls to demand a ransom. Threatening if their demands aren’t met, the kidnapping victim would be killed. The demands don’t get met and the two kidnappers kill the victim. And you are like, the hostage negotiator was just exercising his free speech rights.
No, he was a part of the crime as much as Khalil was a part of the blocking access to classrooms, occupying administrative offices, harassing other students, and/or threatening to kill Zionists.
Khalil was just stupid enough to think that “just being the negotiator” somehow protected him.
You can’t hold a gun to someone’s head and demand concessions and claim it’s free speech. The fact that he was threatening to use mobs of protesters taking over buildings to effectuate his goals, takes this out of the realm of free “speech.”
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 9:02 am
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:52 am to Bunk Moreland
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Imagine President AOC throwing out an Israeli student for “supporting genocide” or Blinken or Hilldawg deporting a foreign student for criticizing Zelensky. You guys are bloodthirsty and just want wins, but never stop to think what may happen when the other side wields that power the same way.
You are such a pussy and come up with some shite that will never happen to justify how big of a pussy you are!
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I couldn't find reference to Columbia suspending Khalil.
The previous year, he was suspended for a day for which Columbia apologized and reinstated.
quote:
Ten months before U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrested Mahmoud Khalil in the lobby of his Manhattan apartment building, Columbia University suspended the Palestinian graduate student.
The suspension lasted only one day before Columbia — with an apology from the university president’s office, Khalil later said — rescinded the suspension and dropped the disciplinary charges against him.
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“After reviewing our records and reviewing evidence with Columbia University Public Safety, it has been determined to rescind your interim suspension,” wrote Claudia Andrade, an associate vice president with the school’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, in an email obtained by The Intercept. “Good luck on finals and hope you have a wonderful summer.”
LINK
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
Wow. Thanks Roger.
I have spent WAY too much time on this Board, but it's been very educational.
I have spent WAY too much time on this Board, but it's been very educational.
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