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re: Macron: France Will Never Help Open Or Secure Strait Of Hormuz
Posted on 3/19/26 at 7:51 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 3/19/26 at 7:51 am to Indefatigable
What are you even going on about? Go watch a presser from Hegseth and Caine, there are many of them to listen to. They just did one today and it's a similar message from the beginning.
You are not being honest. You are throwing out shite for argument sake. The message has not changed every day. The Euros don't want any part is because they have little to offer. They have been caught shorthanded and exposed.
Your dislike of the conflict overtakes logic.
You are not being honest. You are throwing out shite for argument sake. The message has not changed every day. The Euros don't want any part is because they have little to offer. They have been caught shorthanded and exposed.
Your dislike of the conflict overtakes logic.
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Posted on 3/19/26 at 7:52 am to JellyRoll
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The Euros don't want any part is because they have little to offer.
Then why ask for their help?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 7:53 am to JellyRoll
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The message has not changed every day
So tell me, what is the message?
Are we really going with our unchanging plan being to bomb the shite out of them, create a vacuum at the top of their government, and then just pop smoke and be done because we broke some stuff?
If that’s the plan, it’s a terrible one.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:00 am to DeathByTossDive225
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We set these wheels in motion & Trumpism will get what it wanted. Hope it works out for the best.
I personally didn’t want to get involved in Iran for an array of reasons so I want that clear up front.
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I truly can’t figure out if this board wants the transatlantic alliance to end or not.
As to this what is it giving the United States in 2026?
Were told we need to give billions and empty our arms warehouses to defend Ukraine (who isn’t even in NATO), yet Trump decides Iran needs to be neutralized and where are they?
NATO is a relationship with a girl on her terms where her problems are your obligation to help with, but your problems are yours to figure out. NATO has us in the friend zone and we’ve gone along with it for decades beyond when it benefitted us.
I see virtually no benefit to continued membership in NATO, no political strategic overlap with their goals as an AF person and no shared cultural agenda to defend.
We should leave NATO and the UN and act in a self interested way as they are all doing.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:04 am to Mo Jeaux
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Then why ask for their help?
One, it affects them more than the U.S., two, challenge the NATO "Alliance". It is no secret Trump is not a fan of the weak partners in NATO. He believes the others in NATO have taken advantage of the U.S. for years and it is also clear the Euros are departing from traditional values of freedom.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:08 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:09 am to JellyRoll
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One, it affects them more than the U.S.,
Not necessarily.
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two, challenge the NATO "Alliance". It is no secret Trump is not a fan of the weak partners in NATO.
NATO is a defensive alliance.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:09 am to JellyRoll
Cool then. Like I said, terrible and unattainable plan with the current posture and strategy.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:12 am to Mo Jeaux
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NATO is a defensive alliance.
And?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:12 am to JellyRoll
NATO has no relevance whatsoever to our bullshite in Iran, and anyone making said connection is unintelligent.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:14 am to Indefatigable
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terrible and unattainable plan with the current posture and strategy
As the other poster said, you disagreeing with it does not mean they don't have objectives and goals they are following. They have been consistent in that messaging.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:14 am to Indefatigable
OK
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:20 am to Bunk Moreland
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Well, that's the thing -- he can shred alliances and trash Europe, I'm actually fine with it. But, you can't get mad when they won't help now.
I agree with this. But Trump needs to “win” this conflict to the extent that he gets control of the Strait of Hormuz and then tax all shipping that transits it until we have paid our costs of this conflict times two. In that way, it will all be paid for by our reluctant “allies”.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:29 am to Indefatigable
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Do you know what our goals are? The answer changes regularly.
You keep saying this, but it doesn’t get any more correct. It’s been very clear since the beginning that Trump has some definite goals and some things we desire. The goals for success is completely destroying their nuclear weapons plans such that they would have to start over from near scratch. Also, destroy their missile and drone inventory and manufacturing capability. If Trump does this then he has held the line and punted the Iran issue at least ten years.
His “wants” include some form of regime change. But Trump has correctly said that this will depend on the resolve of the Iranian people. And it will.
I’m sure you will continue to spam the board with this inane nonsense of a “changing plan”, but it has not been true so far.
BTW, I do respect and enjoy your posting(and am jealous of your user name). I just think you have gone off the rails with this theme.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 8:30 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:30 am to Penrod
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he gets control of the Strait of Hormuz and then tax all shipping that transits it until we have paid our costs of this conflict times two. In that way, it will all be paid for by our reluctant “allies”.
This. Once the USA controls the straight there needs to be a toll to pay to pass through it. I wouldn't charge those that support us in this, ironically the Arab States, but I would tax the Euros, Chinese, etc.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:37 am to Burt Reynolds
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Did it ever occur to some of you that the US could lose this war?
Yeah, I’m currently studying the koran to prepare for the US caliphate.
The US could walk away right now and no unbiased observer could weigh our loss of less than two dozen lives and a bunch of missiles, against their losses, and think the US lost the war. Any American who subscribed to that belief would be a defeatist loser, or someone with TDS.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 8:38 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:39 am to Penrod
I wouldn’t say lose as opposed to a failure to do anything lasting to make the region safer or more stable.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 8:40 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:41 am to idlewatcher
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Another surrender without surrendering. Such weak people they are.
They think they are smarter. And they also think NATO will steer back on the old course in three years when Trump is gone.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:43 am to Indefatigable
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I wouldn’t say lose as opposed to just failure to do anything lasting to make the region safer or more stable.
I don’t know how close Iran was to nukes. I know they were using their oil money to build a missile system that could give them control of the ME. Nukes would have completely locked that in. With or without nukes, we cannot have Iran controlling that region and the Strait.
What Trump has done already is to delay that possibility maybe ten years? I’d like to see a commitment to regime change to solve this once and for all. However, Trump has to weigh the politics of it, so I get it if he doesn’t.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:58 am to JellyRoll
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And?
So you’d be hard pressed to say that the current conflict in Iran falls under the purview of Article 5 of NATO.
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