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udtiger
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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Being a lying sack of shite ended his career


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CGSC Lobotomy
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
Here Alex, let me fix that for you.

Speaking out isn't what ended your career, conducting yourself in a manner that disgraced the rank you held and the branch you served in at the ranks of Major and Lieutenant Colonel is what ended your career.

In spite of that you were still on the O6 list. The fact that you chose to retire as an O5, knowing that you would never be approved to retire as an O6 speaks volumes.


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Bulldogblitz
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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'At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation's values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment


So he decided to lie?


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LSURulzSEC
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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and likened the current government of the United States to the dictatorship of the Soviet Union.


if it were like that Vindman you would be dead...


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FlySaint
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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He is an Infantry officer who has never been a Platoon Leader, Company Commander and Battalion Commander.


I was Air Force, so different I know. Never getting a command as an O-5 pretty much eliminates one from O-6. If you can’t successfully compete against your O-5 peers for a command how can you compete with those same officers who successfully complete a command tour?

And the lack of platoon and company command is a huge red flag. Honestly he appears to have been over-promoted just in making O-5.

And then there’s the treason. Even if an opposing viewpoint doesn’t see it as such it was clearly inappropriate for a low level officer (and O-5 is a low level inside the WH) to comment publicly on the CINC, and certainly to testify in a clearly partisan manner.

What should happen to him is in a 2nd Trump term, he should be recalled to active duty, face court martial for failing to meet standards as an O-5, then demoted and have his retirement withdrawn since he did not serve honorably for 20 years.


ItzMe1972
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
Eat shite you Fat Frick!


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auggie
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
So he's doing it again? Some people just like flappin their gums for attention.


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Goonie02
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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And the lack of platoon and company command is a huge red flag. Honestly he appears to have been over-promoted just in making O-5.

You would be surprised how many officers in the line units are paper pushers. In my company there were a couple of 2nd LTs who weren't in command of a platoon. they were up in Company headquarters reviewing leave forms or in the arms room signing off on hand receipts when you sign out your weapon for the range.


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CGSC Lobotomy
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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FlySaint


There are quite a few differences with the Army, so I'll address each of the points in your post individually.

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Never getting a command as an O-5 pretty much eliminates one from O-6. If you can’t successfully compete against your O-5 peers for a command how can you compete with those same officers who successfully complete a command tour?


In 2004, the Army made (an extremely poor decision in my mind) the decision to equate certain positions in non-Maneuver branches as "Key Developmental Positions" by rank. Basically, instead of giving officers opportunities to command, they gave equivalent credit for positions that they deemed "of equal importance and responsibility". Not only that, but the branch managers rush to try to get you as little KD time as possible before putting you in "broadening assignments". I can only speak on behalf of my branch (Signal), but here are the KD positions:

Lieutenant: Platoon Leader, Executive Officer, Battalion S6 (Captain's position, but branch does an extremely poor job of managing these and units fire them often)

Captain: Company Command, Battalion S6 (equivalent to A6), Brigade S6 (again, Major's position, but branch does a shitty job of managing), MITT Team Leader

Major: Battalion/Brigade S3/XO, Brigade S6, Division Network Operations Chief, Deputy Division G6

I was actually told I was too senior to hold a Company Command because I did 36 months of KD time as an S6 so I had to pursue a command in Recruiting in order to get my 20 months of Command time. Of my 20 years served, I've only spent 3 outside of S6 and G6 positions.

KD positions at the O5 and O6 level are a result of the Centrally Selected List (CSL) board. There's only about a 35-38% selection rate and you are most likely to be chosen the first time. (you have 3 looks before you're put into mandatory retirement and if you decline, you are put out) You cannot hold more than one CSL position.

Lieutenant Colonel: Battalion Command, Division G6

Colonel: Brigade Command, Corps G6

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And the lack of platoon and company command is a huge red flag. Honestly he appears to have been over-promoted just in making O-5.


Here's another part where the Army differs. At about 3-6 years time in service, you are eligible for transfer in what's called a Functional Area. Once you are in a Functional Area position, every position is considered Key Developmental. In the case of my branch, there are two functional area positions, both in Functional Area 26 (26A - Telecom Systems Engineer, 26B - System Administrator). Very few functional area officers are even eligible for CSL (basically guarantees they cannot advance beyond Colonel)

Vindman was a Foreign Area Officer (48E - Eurasia).

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And then there’s the treason. Even if an opposing viewpoint doesn’t see it as such it was clearly inappropriate for a low level officer (and O-5 is a low level inside the WH) to comment publicly on the CINC, and certainly to testify in a clearly partisan manner.


While not completely treason, it definitely constitutes a violation of Article 88, Article 89 (because he was told by a former rater to stop) and potentially Article 94 (Mutiny and Sedition)

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What should happen to him is in a 2nd Trump term, he should be recalled to active duty, face court martial for failing to meet standards as an O-5, then demoted and have his retirement withdrawn since he did not serve honorably for 20 years.


This won't happen. The last officer prosecuted under Article 88 was in the mid-90's in the Clinton Administration and that was thrown out.
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MMauler
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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How did that pussy ever make O-5?


Were you not paying attention to what Odumbf*ck did to our military and every bureaucracy in our government for eight f*cking years?



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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
Igor Danchenko/Fiona Hill/Brookings
The Brookings Institution whose president was Strobe Talbott from 2002-2017. His previous job was Deputy Secretary of State during the Clinton Administration from 1994-2001.

Nothing to see here folks.


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FlySaint
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
Very informative. In the Air Force O-5s without a squadron level command make O-6 in the low single digit range. I personally know of only one rated officer (i.e. flyer) that did so.

As for recall to active duty for the court martial I don’t see the need for Article 88. Failure to maintain standards due to disobeying after being directed by his chain of command to cease the activity against POTUS should be enough. And I have seen this happen to a USAF O-5.


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UcobiaA
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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never been a Platoon Leader


Hadn't heard that before. Since he was tabbed and never get PL time, he must have been a blatant shitbird.


LetsgoGamecocks
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career


Committing treason will have that effect. He should have been hung for all the lies he told Congress in his attempt to be the only evidence to impeach President Trump.


Wolfhound45
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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He is an Infantry officer who has never been a Platoon Leader, Company Commander and Battalion Commander.
He was a platoon leader of a rifle platoon in South Korea. He also led an anti-tank platoon during his assignment there. He served in Germany as well. He was wounded in Iraq in 2004 and was awarded a Combat Infantry Badge his single tour. So he was serving in an infantry assignment at the time.

He was promoted to MAJ in 2008 and became a Foreign Area Officer (48E - Eurasia) that same year.

He had to have had “due course” infantry assignments along the way to make it to at least MAJ. It is highly doubtful he did not at least have a rifle company command. He also would have served as a brigade or battalion staff officer along the way between 1999 and 2008. He reminds me very much of my battalion executive officer (another FAO) who was a very mediocre infantry officer.

I know the type well. Very similar to a certain Louisiana governor.


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TigerFanatic99
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
I can appreciate speaking out and whistleblowing but he lost me when he said he was driven because the president was not following established foreign policy.


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CedarChest
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
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Are part and parcel of the new Democrat Party. I don't see how progs sleep at night being aligned with these evil and bloodthirsty architects of our insane foreign policy.


True enough. Just hope you realize the senior senator of your state is part and parcel of all of this shite. Damn, all y'all need to get rid of Lindsey Gramnisty. I think, if I were an SC resident, I'd vote for his demoncrap opponent in November. To be fair, he's (or is it she's) not the only one that needs to go.


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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
Went in front of the world and lied about the Commander in Chief - should be UNDER the prison.


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4Ghost
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re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman says speaking out ended his 21-year military career
He should have been court martialed. End of conversation


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