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Loyola U President opines on the problem of too few men in college -> need more feminism
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:31 am
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:31 am
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Wait for it…
So, she’s laying down the assumption that fewer men in college and fewer men graduating from college is a factor of women ‘out performing men” with “grit and determination”. Are there no other explanations?
Maybe TOO MANY people are going to college. Maybe women are more likely to choose college when it doesn’t make financial sense for them; taking on huge college debt for a worthless degree.
Are colleges complicit in this Faustian bargain, as they continue to raise tuition and fees beyond the rate of inflation, while diminishing their academics with critical theory crap, and wasting money on diversity equity and inclusion staffing and programming.
But back to her illogical argument about those underachieving men.
So, affirmative action raises issues of fairness? But only when it’s applied for men, not when it’s applied for women and minorities?
So, it’s the patriarchy that’s hurting the girls and that’s how men are falling behind? That’s her explanation?
So, boys are not going to college and are dropping out in greater numbers because of their unmoored swagger bolstered by race and class privilege?
So it’s the rich white boys were are suddenly talking about? And it’s their own fault they are less successful than those gritty girls?
This is pure fantasy, and can only be imagined in the mind of a post-modernist feminist, who conveniently sees boys and girls as identical and undifferentiated except for the nasty patriarchical culture that fricks them up.
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For many families, a season of applying to college lies ahead; a moment of reckoning about the reality of opportunity in our country. Yet despite recent debates over opportunity gaps, there is still one major (and surprising) gap we ignore. The millions of young men who are not going to college.
Nationally, 59 percent of college students are female; many campuses, like mine, have a gender imbalance, with the student body over 60 percent women and less than 40 percent men. And the gap only expands when we consider student retention; the six-year graduation rate is six percentage points lower for men than for women.
In contrast to issues of race and class, this disparity challenges our usual notions of opportunity. After all, men continue to earn more than women for the same work and have more access to the top jobs. So, why is it that men are falling behind in higher education? And why should we care? For most of history, women had very little educational opportunity, and the college spots available to them were in gender-segregated schools with fewer resources. The Ivy League, for example, didn’t admit women until the late 1960s. It would be decades before the most elite schools reached gender parity.
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And gender bias still lingers in American education, from pre-K through college.
If women now outperform men in high school and apply to college in greater numbers, isn’t that just a tribute to their grit and determination?
So, she’s laying down the assumption that fewer men in college and fewer men graduating from college is a factor of women ‘out performing men” with “grit and determination”. Are there no other explanations?
Maybe TOO MANY people are going to college. Maybe women are more likely to choose college when it doesn’t make financial sense for them; taking on huge college debt for a worthless degree.
Are colleges complicit in this Faustian bargain, as they continue to raise tuition and fees beyond the rate of inflation, while diminishing their academics with critical theory crap, and wasting money on diversity equity and inclusion staffing and programming.
But back to her illogical argument about those underachieving men.
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Universities themselves have limited tools to fix the gender issue because we come too late in the process. We lack the power to narrow the gap in the applicant pool.
Many schools try to balance their numbers somewhat by quietly creating affirmative action for male applicants. Making it easier for men to get into college than women raises real issues of fairness, however, and may also fuel the differential in graduation rates if more male applicants on the margins are admitted.
So, affirmative action raises issues of fairness? But only when it’s applied for men, not when it’s applied for women and minorities?
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We often encourage in our daughters a focus on schoolwork over other time-consuming — though possibly life-enriching — extracurricular activities.
This, some have argued, helps girls perform better in school. It also may make girls more perfectionist and anxious, and thus less willing to take healthy risks and to be brave, traits which may set them back in the workplace.
So, it’s the patriarchy that’s hurting the girls and that’s how men are falling behind? That’s her explanation?
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With boys, we are more likely to reward confidence (particularly for those who also enjoy other privileges of race and class). That confidence is supremely useful, but it can devolve into swagger unmoored from actual performance.
So, boys are not going to college and are dropping out in greater numbers because of their unmoored swagger bolstered by race and class privilege?
So it’s the rich white boys were are suddenly talking about? And it’s their own fault they are less successful than those gritty girls?
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We also glorify boys who buck rules and expectations, rather than those who visibly try hard in class. We accept a higher level of aggression in boys than girls, and boys are disciplined far more often in school. We encourage resilience in boys, but possibly by teaching them not to reach out when they need help. And by entertaining them with tales of violence rather than stories of navigating relationships, we hobble their ability to navigate the world. I read a book of female biographies called “Rebel Girls” to my seven-year-old daughter, encouraging her to be brave and ambitious. But I have come to realize that we also need stories of how amazing it is for boys to study hard at school, how cool it is to work to earn an A.
This is pure fantasy, and can only be imagined in the mind of a post-modernist feminist, who conveniently sees boys and girls as identical and undifferentiated except for the nasty patriarchical culture that fricks them up.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:32 am to Jimbeaux
Having to do it all over again, I doubt I'd have gone to college. Little I got from there applies to the real world.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:33 am to Jimbeaux
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If women now outperform men in high school and apply to college in greater numbers, isn’t that just a tribute to their grit and determination?
I guess if men earn more than women, that’s a tribute to their hard work and determination.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:41 am to Jimbeaux
Sounds like jealousy. Women have traditionally gone to college in part to find a wage-earning husband. Now, there much fewer to pick from.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:41 am to Jimbeaux
OP nailed it.
When you live in the fantasyland that boys and girls are essentially the same and love the victimhood....you get dribble like this article.
When you live in the fantasyland that boys and girls are essentially the same and love the victimhood....you get dribble like this article.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:42 am to Jimbeaux
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And gender bias still lingers in American education, from pre-K through college.
Bull shite critical pedagogy.
It is social bias, that they constructed, that is driving males away. There are few options for males wanting a career in STEM. They will reap what they sow when HR has to deal with all of the "women's issues" in the work place.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:48 am to Jimbeaux
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this "equity"?
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Many schools try to balance their numbers somewhat by quietly creating affirmative action for male applicants. Making it easier for men to get into college than women raises real issues of fairness, however, and may also fuel the differential in graduation rates if more male applicants on the margins are admitted.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:49 am to IslandBuckeye
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It is social bias, that they constructed, that is driving males away.
This^^
Men are less interested in women. They are becoming unpleasant to be around.
Also, unlimited porn and sex dolls are making women less valuable.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:50 am to Jimbeaux
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After all, men continue to earn more than women for the same work and have more access to the top jobs
This is a lie
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:50 am to Jimbeaux
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Making it easier for blacks to get into college than whites raises real issues of fairness
Chew on that one and see how it tastes.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:54 am to Jimbeaux
Most of the women go to college to get the MRS. Degree.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:57 am to FightinTigersDammit
I was just thinking about the reaction if she had said Asian and white students perform better academically because of their “grit” and not, you know, systematic racism.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:58 am to Jimbeaux
I saw an article the other day that said 30% of working aged males don’t work
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:59 am to Jimbeaux
Everything women achieve is because they worked twice as hard as men
Everything men achieve is because sexism and stepping on others.
There’s your TLDR
Everything men achieve is because sexism and stepping on others.
There’s your TLDR
Posted on 9/19/21 at 9:14 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Men finally figured out that it’s not for everyone and like you say little application in real world on most jobs . Obviously engineers and architects benefit along with a few other but most jobs you still need actual experience to move forward . There is a lot of courses and degrees that shouldn’t be wasting time or money chasing . And of course the indoctrination can totally be a reasonable excuse not to go
Posted on 9/19/21 at 9:32 am to cokebottleag
I feel like women are by and large being used by the feminists to stick it to men that shunned them. Women are being fed man-hating ideology by these frumpy psychology/sociology majors. They'll prattle on and on about misogyny and gender bias - how the market favors men, etc.
These man haters will rail against the systemic injustices, but secretly they wish they had a good looking man that would make them pregnant and treat them like a lady. It's just not going to happen and they know it. It can't be a problem with them. It must be the way society was constructed. A failure of evolution or biology even. It just couldn't be their own failures.
So it goes. These women are doing their damnedest to fundamentally change society to cater to their delusion. Meanwhile, creating a lot of mental anguish and regret among the population. But screw all that - that's probably men's fault too.
These man haters will rail against the systemic injustices, but secretly they wish they had a good looking man that would make them pregnant and treat them like a lady. It's just not going to happen and they know it. It can't be a problem with them. It must be the way society was constructed. A failure of evolution or biology even. It just couldn't be their own failures.
So it goes. These women are doing their damnedest to fundamentally change society to cater to their delusion. Meanwhile, creating a lot of mental anguish and regret among the population. But screw all that - that's probably men's fault too.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:08 am to Nosevens
Had to take a lot of unnecessary English Lit back in college in the eighties. It didn't improve my Eng comm. in any way. Imagine how much money is wasted on these extra lib arts classes, now that it costs a kings ransom for credit hours. Waste of time and precious resources.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:21 am to Jimbeaux
Peterson is right. Men in Western society have been domesticated.... from wolves, into hunting dogs, and now into lap dogs.
All of the fight, tenacity, and energy is gone.
All of the fight, tenacity, and energy is gone.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:29 am to NineLineBind
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Women have traditionally gone to college in part to find a wage-earning husband.
We laughed in college about them earning their “MRS” degree
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:29 am to Jimbeaux
My profession requires a professional/terminal degree, and I was fortunate to attend university before costs got insanely out of control (I think my first semester at LSU was something like $3000?), but yeah if I was 18 now…I’d be looking real hard at getting into trades or working my way up the ranks in construction project management.
Corporations and colleges are filled to the brim with gynocentric HR bullshite that is inescapable. I work in one of those F500 trendy hip left coast “open office” plans and it’s non-stop cackling hens gossiping and talking about reality TV; men are a STEEP minority in my office. I watch the lawn crews outside or the window washers and think, “damn I fricked up” every week.
Corporations and colleges are filled to the brim with gynocentric HR bullshite that is inescapable. I work in one of those F500 trendy hip left coast “open office” plans and it’s non-stop cackling hens gossiping and talking about reality TV; men are a STEEP minority in my office. I watch the lawn crews outside or the window washers and think, “damn I fricked up” every week.
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