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re: LIVE (*now adjourned*): Supreme Court hearing case on Trump's Colorado ballot eligibility

Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:37 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:37 am to
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Assuming facts not in evidence.

Uh...incorrect. 100%.

This is 100% civil litigation.

And the legal scheme being used is the Colorado election code.
Posted by LoneStar23
USA
Member since Aug 2019
5823 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:37 am to
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With what, exactly?


TDS and other mental illnesses
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47624 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:38 am to
no one ever is, bro.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139060 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:38 am to
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"innocent until proven guilty" is just silly
Wait!
In a civil trial dealing with a novel claim, one is guilty until proven innocent?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47624 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:38 am to
yes but they are using a federal crime as the DQ'ing condition.

why do you keep ignoring this?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:39 am to
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I would absolutely love for another Republican to be the nominee so I could vote for them.


Simple question, no punting.

Who is the worse person, Biden or Trump?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:39 am to
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In a civil trial dealing with a novel claim, one is guilty until proven innocent?

No.

"guilty" and "innocent" are not terms used in civil trials.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51893 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:39 am to
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mickey is a blew no matter who guy.
FIFY

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:39 am to
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Definitely not a communist and I would absolutely love for another Republican to be the nominee so I could vote for them.



We know, you voted Biden last time, you'll vote for him again.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8440 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:40 am to
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And? This was neither a criminal nor federal litigation. The issue is a civil-administrative determination of Colorado law (and judicial interpretations of that state law)


And... this is why everyone on the board knows you are an idiot. Thanks for confirming
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:40 am to
Kagan sure seemed to think Colorado overstepped its authority.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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139060 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:40 am to
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And the legal scheme being used is the Colorado election code.
In which insurrection, unestablished and outside the CO jurisdiction, is the requisite foundation.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47624 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:40 am to
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I would absolutely love for another Republican to be the nominee so I could vote for them.


Ah. The no true Scotsman fallacy.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139060 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:41 am to
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Kagan sure seemed to think Colorado overstepped its authority.
So did the non-biologist.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:41 am to
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why do you keep ignoring this?

I'm not.

The Colorado Election code is (potentially, but likely) bound by the 14A. That's not relevant to that particular discussion (civil v. criminal litigation and terms).

The opinion gets into the CO Election code in some detail. Too much to post-quote.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47624 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:42 am to
now you are just making Murrays case. LOL

and stop trying to be the arbiter of whats being discussed in this thread.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 11:43 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:43 am to
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Kagan sure seemed to think Colorado overstepped its authority.


I said a while back I wouldn't be shocked if Kagan went with the 6 conservative justices.

Sontamayor and Jackson....they're more likely to bend towards partisanship.
Posted by Wiseguy
Member since Mar 2020
4073 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:43 am to
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And? This was neither a criminal nor federal litigation. The issue is a civil-administrative determination of Colorado law (and judicial interpretations of that state law)


Strictly speaking, yes. However, the facts of the case tread heavily on determination of a criminal action and tiptoes right up to federal law. While the SC *can* do whatever they want in terms of how much rationale and descriptive language they use in the decision, I would imagine some of them can’t wait to slap down the NGO and the CO SOS for their “novel” arguments before the court. To do so, I see them addressing the issues that overlap with federal law and criminal law (how do we determine someone is a insurrectionist).
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:43 am to
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Ah. The no true Scotsman fallacy.


This is Mickey we're talking about.

You misspelled "phallusy"....
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:43 am to
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Ah. The no true Scotsman fallacy.



Not at all. I was told I vote blue no matter what. Absolutely not the case. I'm just not voting for trump.
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