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re: Listen to what Independents like me are saying, and you'll understand American politics
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:52 am to mountaintop
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:52 am to mountaintop
And... You don't speak for me.
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Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:54 am to wickowick
Not surprised with the lack of answers to all these questions.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:57 am to Jake88
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What is Trump's radical ideology?
They won't answer this question because nothing about Trump's ideology is radical. Any Republican candidate/president will be considered a right-wing whack job by the Democratic Party and their allies in the media. Remember John McCain was a principled "maverick" until he got the Republican nomination for president, then he became the most dangerous man on the planet. The same goes for Mitt Romney. Trump's only "crime" is that he beat Hillary simply by outworking and out-campaigning her. Trump worked his arse of to win the office, Hillary acted as though it was her birthright.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:58 am to SouthernChick
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And... You don't speak for me.
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SouthernChick
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:59 am to mountaintop
I’m not a fan of the far left of far right either. I vote independently but the funny this is, on this board you’re a cuck if you think for yourself but if you blindly defend every stupid thing the president says, you’re not a cuck.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:00 am to Geauxst Writer
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From my view, they are two of same - advocates of radical ideology
What...is...Trump's..."radical...ideology?" You cannot answer this question.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:00 am to eddieray
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on this board you’re a cuck if you think for yourself
I see a big problem for you right there.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:01 am to Geauxst Writer
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I don’t like Bernie Sanders any more or less than Trump. From my view, they are two of same - advocates of radical ideology instead of real statesmen/womenship that can gain consensus and unite the company.
This statement is ridiculous. What Trump ideology is radical? Trump is probably the most centrist president in political terms we've had in the modern era.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:09 am to eddieray
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on this board you’re a cuck if you think for yourself
Define this, in your own terms.
It probably means vote Democrat.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:21 am to mountaintop
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I criticize both ideologies equally and with rigor
Do I read just the bold parts?
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:21 am to mountaintop
Why do people keep talking about the myth of a “popular vote”
How many people living in a clearly blue or red state didn’t vote because their vote wouldn’t matter? Stupid logic.
How many people living in a clearly blue or red state didn’t vote because their vote wouldn’t matter? Stupid logic.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:23 am to mountaintop
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Trump did not win the 2016 Popular Vote.
You just made your entire argument irrelevant, like the Popular Vote.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:24 am to mountaintop
Yes, I understand American politics now.
There are way too many voters like you.
There are way too many voters like you.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:31 am to mountaintop
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mountaintop
You are an uber liberal / progressive who is pretending to be a moderate independent so that you can strategically push your progressive ideology when you think it makes sense.
You are not the first. It's easy to identify. And, it's pathetic that you have to hide your true beliefs.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:42 am to mountaintop
You are either
a) young.
b) live in one of the 92%+ white states.
Which is it?
Your views on race, were not formed by your personal experiences.
They were SURGICALLY IMPLANTED in your malleable brain.
..... by the far-left leaning media and education system.
You are nothing more than a human parrot at this point. Simply repeating what you have been TRAINED to repeat.. without ever truly experiencing or understanding what you are chirping about.
All while feeling a smug arrogance of superior intelligence....
a) young.
b) live in one of the 92%+ white states.
Which is it?
Your views on race, were not formed by your personal experiences.
They were SURGICALLY IMPLANTED in your malleable brain.
..... by the far-left leaning media and education system.
You are nothing more than a human parrot at this point. Simply repeating what you have been TRAINED to repeat.. without ever truly experiencing or understanding what you are chirping about.
All while feeling a smug arrogance of superior intelligence....
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:43 am to mountaintop
You stand for nothing, you fall for anything.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 10:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger.... here are a handful of centrist views and topics where I think that Trump on the hard right are off key:
1. Igniting a trade war with our Euro and Canadian allies. I am a free trader which is a traditional Republican position. TPC withdrawal played into China’s hands in that it was designed to create an APAC trading block to offset China.
2. Paris Accord- like it or not, the nations of the world have polluted the planet to dangerous levels that withdrawing from the agreement we have isolated the US and are backwards on an important global issue. We are also rolling back clean air and water standards which inhibit our leadership and profit opportunities in the massive green energy technology industry.
3. Advocating the repeal of Roe vs. Wade which will take us back to coat hanger days. Separation of church vs. sate is important.
4. Balanced Immigration legislation. The DACCA kids should be citizens. I am Ok with the wall, but the inhumane separation of babies from mamas is bad policy created by Trump.
5. Racism- Trump is the most racist president in my lifetime and his continuous dog whistling of minorities is dividing the country.
6. healthcare - the right wing and Trump obsession with abolishing Obamacare with ZERO viable alternatives to provide good care for the masses such as protections for pre-existing conditions is a failure to Trump and the right leadership.
7. Guns- . I own a gun, believe in the 2nd amendment right to register and own it, but we need to enhance our scrutiny of who gets guns, register every gun, and manage gun ownership. The new plastic guns from 3 D printers should not be allowed. Won’t Be long before a plastic gun of a madman makes it on a plane that is shot up if this is not stopped.
8. Russia- needs to be ground to a pulp for 100 reasons- arming of Iran, Chemical warfare in Syria, cyber crimes including hacking the 2016 and other destalizing activities. Trump is afraid of Putin, and personally I believe that the reasons is that there is heavy Russian oligarch and mob money
Tied up in Trump real estate and financing.
These are a handful and 1/2 centrist positions that provide you answers to your request for what are “MY” centrist views and why I find Trump to be radical and disjointed in his policies.
1. Igniting a trade war with our Euro and Canadian allies. I am a free trader which is a traditional Republican position. TPC withdrawal played into China’s hands in that it was designed to create an APAC trading block to offset China.
2. Paris Accord- like it or not, the nations of the world have polluted the planet to dangerous levels that withdrawing from the agreement we have isolated the US and are backwards on an important global issue. We are also rolling back clean air and water standards which inhibit our leadership and profit opportunities in the massive green energy technology industry.
3. Advocating the repeal of Roe vs. Wade which will take us back to coat hanger days. Separation of church vs. sate is important.
4. Balanced Immigration legislation. The DACCA kids should be citizens. I am Ok with the wall, but the inhumane separation of babies from mamas is bad policy created by Trump.
5. Racism- Trump is the most racist president in my lifetime and his continuous dog whistling of minorities is dividing the country.
6. healthcare - the right wing and Trump obsession with abolishing Obamacare with ZERO viable alternatives to provide good care for the masses such as protections for pre-existing conditions is a failure to Trump and the right leadership.
7. Guns- . I own a gun, believe in the 2nd amendment right to register and own it, but we need to enhance our scrutiny of who gets guns, register every gun, and manage gun ownership. The new plastic guns from 3 D printers should not be allowed. Won’t Be long before a plastic gun of a madman makes it on a plane that is shot up if this is not stopped.
8. Russia- needs to be ground to a pulp for 100 reasons- arming of Iran, Chemical warfare in Syria, cyber crimes including hacking the 2016 and other destalizing activities. Trump is afraid of Putin, and personally I believe that the reasons is that there is heavy Russian oligarch and mob money
Tied up in Trump real estate and financing.
These are a handful and 1/2 centrist positions that provide you answers to your request for what are “MY” centrist views and why I find Trump to be radical and disjointed in his policies.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 10:21 am to Geauxst Writer
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1. Igniting a trade war with our Euro and Canadian allies. I am a free trader which is a traditional Republican position. TPC withdrawal played into China’s hands in that it was designed to create an APAC trading block to offset China.
Free trade today is an extremist position. I know, because I am a free trade person myself.
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2. Paris Accord- like it or not, the nations of the world have polluted the planet to dangerous levels that withdrawing from the agreement we have isolated the US and are backwards on an important global issue. We are also rolling back clean air and water standards which inhibit our leadership and profit opportunities in the massive green energy technology industry.
The Paris accord is worthless. It's voluntary, and developing countries are still allowed to pollute, and they are the main problem.
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3. Advocating the repeal of Roe vs. Wade which will take us back to coat hanger days. Separation of church vs. sate is important.
Trump isn't doing this and it will never happen. Its pure fear mongering on the part of the left.
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4. Balanced Immigration legislation. The DACCA kids should be citizens. I am Ok with the wall, but the inhumane separation of babies from mamas is bad policy created by Trump.
The wall is a stupid idea, it's his only real extremist policy I can think of.
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5. Racism- Trump is the most racist president in my lifetime and his continuous dog whistling of minorities is dividing the country.
This is retarded. The only way you would believe this is by reading far left propaganda.
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6. healthcare - the right wing and Trump obsession with abolishing Obamacare with ZERO viable alternatives to provide good care for the masses such as protections for pre-existing conditions is a failure to Trump and the right leadership.
ObamaCare needs to die and a more free market approach loosening regulations is the answer. Obamacare isn't a centrist policy.
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7. Guns- . I own a gun, believe in the 2nd amendment right to register and own it, but we need to enhance our scrutiny of who gets guns, register every gun, and manage gun ownership. The new plastic guns from 3 D printers should not be allowed. Won’t Be long before a plastic gun of a madman makes it on a plane that is shot up if this is not stopped.
Extremist and pure symbolism. I don't mind registering guns, but the rest of that is fantasy.
Its funny people are screaming about high capacity magazines, now are freaking out about single shot printed handguns.
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8. Russia- needs to be ground to a pulp for 100 reasons- arming of Iran, Chemical warfare in Syria, cyber crimes including hacking the 2016 and other destalizing activities. Trump is afraid of Putin, and personally I believe that the reasons is that there is heavy Russian oligarch and mob money
Tied up in Trump real estate and financing.
Extemist, not centrist. In fact, that's insane.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 8/11/18 at 10:24 am to mountaintop
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mountaintop
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I'm an Independent voter.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 10:26 am to mountaintop
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