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re: List of presidents that have lied the most in history

Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:46 pm to
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you thought it was somebody else, you might be a moron



What has Trump lied about that would be considered "significant"?
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 3:58 pm to
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What has Trump lied about that would be considered "significant"?


Does it matter what evidence is brought to this thread? People on here have shown that they will refuse to believe it.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 4:22 pm to
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List of presidents that have lied the most in history


Literally unknowable.

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TRUMP.


Oh, you're one of those.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 4:23 pm to
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Does it matter what evidence is brought to this thread? People on here have shown that they will refuse to believe it.


I'm no fan of Trump, but you're sorely mistaken if you think all presidents don't lie about material items on a regular basis.
Posted by Crimson1st
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 5:05 pm to
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PAY
verb
1.
give (someone) money that is due for work done, goods received, or a debt incurred.



Bison

Noun

An animal that is smelly, ugly, and shits all over the place.

So you want to use literal definitions???
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 5:47 pm to
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I'm no fan of Trump, but you're sorely mistaken if you think all presidents don't lie about material items on a regular basis.


So by saying Trump lies I am somehow saying no other president lies? Please point out at any point I said no other President lies of Trump was the ONLY lying president.

I was just pointing out this board feels Trump doesn’t lie outside of his hyperbolic speech.


This post was edited on 11/23/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:05 pm to
Give us a significant lie like "...you can keep your doctor." We all know he exaggerates and gets facts wrong, but Let us know those lies that are as significant as Obama's.
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:19 pm to

Washingon post has the trump lie count at 14,000.




Posted by davyjones
NELA
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:20 pm to
Top 5 should be verrr easy then.
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:21 pm to
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Washingon post has the trump lie count at 14,000.
Oh no!!! He said he opened an Apple branch in Texas...
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:22 pm to
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As of Oct. 9, his 993rd day in office, he had made 13,435 false or misleading claims, according to the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered. That’s an average of almost 22 claims a day since our last update 65 days ago.

One big reason for the uptick: The uproar over Trump’s phone call with Ukraine’s president on July 25 — in which he urged an investigation of former vice president Joe Biden, a potential 2020 election rival — and the ensuing House impeachment inquiry. We’ve added a new category of claims, Ukraine probe, and in just a few weeks it has topped 250 entries.

In fact, Trump earned his fastest Bottomless Pinocchio ever with his repeated false statement that the whistleblower compliant about the call was inaccurate. The report accurately captured the content of Trump’s call and many other details have been confirmed, yet Trump has repeated this Four Pinocchio claim 29 times. (It takes 20 repeats of a Three or Four Pinocchio claim to merit a Bottomless Pinocchio, and there are now 27 entries.)

Another false claim — that Biden forced the resignation of a Ukrainian prosecutor because he was investigating his son Hunter — just barely missed the cutoff for inclusion. (Trump has said it 18 times.) We presume the falsehood will earn a spot on the Bottomless Pinocchio page in the next update.

Trump crossed the 10,000 mark on April 26. From the start of his presidency, he has averaged nearly 14 such claims a day.

Almost one-fifth of these claims are about immigration, his signature issue — a percentage that has grown since the government shut down over funding for his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, his most repeated claim — 218 times — is that his border wall is being built. Congress balked at funding the concrete barrier he envisioned, so he has tried to pitch bollard fencing and repairs of existing barriers as “a wall.”

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False or misleading claims about trade, the economy and the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign each account for about 10 percent of the total. Claims on those subjects are also among his most repeated.

Trump has falsely claimed 204 times that the U.S. economy today is the best in history. He began making this claim in June 2018, and it quickly became one of his favorites. The president can certainly brag about the state of the economy, but he runs into trouble when he repeatedly makes a play for the history books. By just about any important measure, the economy today is not doing as well as it did under Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson or Bill Clinton — or Ulysses S. Grant. Moreover, the economy is beginning to hit the head winds caused by Trump’s trade wars, with the manufacturing sector in an apparent recession.

On 171 occasions, he has claimed the United States has “lost” money on trade deficits. This reflects a basic misunderstanding of economics. Countries do not “lose” money on trade deficits. A trade deficit simply means people in one country are buying more goods from another country than people in the second country are buying from the first country. Trade deficits are also affected by macroeconomic factors, such as currencies, economic growth, and savings and investment rates.

Trump has falsely said 171 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised it would be the biggest in U.S. history — bigger than Ronald Reagan’s in 1981. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of GDP, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years. This continues to be an all-purpose applause line at the president’s rallies.

The president’s constant Twitter barrage also adds to his totals. Nearly 20 percent of the false and misleading statements stemmed from his itchy Twitter finger.

Trump’s penchant for repeating false claims is demonstrated by the fact that the Fact Checker database has recorded more than 350 instances in which he has repeated a variation of the same claim at least three times.

Even as Trump’s fact-free statements proliferate, there is evidence that his approach is failing.

Fewer than 3 in 10 Americans believe many of his most-common false statements, according to a Washington Post Fact Checker poll published in December. Only among a pool of strong Trump approvers — about 1 in 6 adults in the survey — did large majorities accept several, although not all, of his falsehoods as true.

The award-winning database website, created by graphics reporter Leslie Shapiro, has an extremely fast search engine that will quickly locate suspect statements the president has made. We encourage readers to explore it in detail. We recently added a new feature that provides a URL for every claim that is fact-checked, allowing readers to post the link on social media.

Note: The Fact Checker welcomes academic research of the Trump claims database. Recent examples include work done by Erasmus University, University College London and the University of California at Santa Barbara. You can request our data files with an explanation of your research plans by contacting us at factchecker@washpost.com.

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Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:23 pm to
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Trump has falsely said 171 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised it would be the biggest in U.S. history — bigger than Ronald Reagan’s in 1981. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of GDP, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years. This continues to be an all-purpose applause line at the president’s rallies.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:25 pm to
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Trump has falsely claimed 204 times that the U.S. economy today is the best in history. He began making this claim in June 2018, and it quickly became one of his favorites.
Trump has falsely said 171 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history.
My God!!! The monster!
This post was edited on 11/23/19 at 6:26 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:27 pm to
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Another false claim — that Biden forced the resignation of a Ukrainian prosecutor because he was investigating his son Hunter — just barely missed the cutoff for inclusion. (Trump has said it 18 times.) We presume the falsehood will earn a spot on the Bottomless Pinocchio page in the next update.

I pick this one, it's a very good representation of the bullshite claims that would be the common thread. It's not a false claim because it's yet to be determined. Just because Biden says he didn't do anything wrong and WaPo sides with him against Trump doesn't make it the official truth. In fact, it's a lie that WaPo makes this definitive assertion without first investigating the matter.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:33 pm to
That's as significant as Obama's lie? Bull...shite.
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This post was edited on 11/23/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7742 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:49 pm to
Every President lies. It’s almost as if they are human beings.
Posted by CleverUserName
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:53 pm to
It all depends on “what the definition of is is”
Posted by Barneyrb
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:09 pm to
Allow me to add #293 on this
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