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re: Lindsey Graham on Gun Confiscation - "Every Right has its Limits"
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:53 am to crazycubes
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:53 am to crazycubes
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Yep. I agree, I can’t own an anti aircraft gun battery or a 65 pod rocket launcher.
One can dream
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:57 am to Toroballistic
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You can't legally yell "Fire" in a theater.
And you can't walk into a theater and start shooting people either, but it's still legal to own firearms. Likewise it is perfectly fine to start yelling fire in a crowded theater if there actually is a fire.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:58 am to CptRusty
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Likewise it is perfectly fine to start yelling fire in a crowded theater if there actually is a fire.
True. Didn't think about that.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
How about we eliminate soft targets before we do any of this bullshite.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I wonder if any of these magical "red flag" laws have a path for recourse when anti-gunners, or pissed off exes, or whoever else wants to harass a gun owner uses these BS laws to do so.
I bet not. Because you know if just one life is saved. bullshite.
I bet not. Because you know if just one life is saved. bullshite.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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“every right has limits.”
I disagree.
I do believe that every term should have limits, though.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:26 am to Dick Leverage
quote:this is not how they do it. They come up with bogus arrest charges. Then go to your house and take your guns. Bogus arrest. Bogus gun theft.
Federal Law Ennfircement is scheduled to come to your home at (address) on April 15th at 5:30pm Est to confiscate all registered and unregistered firearms. Your full cooperation is required in this matter. You have a right to appeal this decision after the initial collection of firearms has take place.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:28 am to oleheat
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I do believe that every term should have limits, though.
Every term does have limits, at least if you are talking about the US Congress. Representatives serve for a term of 2 years. Senators serve for a term of 6 years.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:05 am to crazycubes
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Yep. I agree, I can’t own an anti aircraft gun battery or a 65 pod rocket launcher.
You would be incorrect you just have to have the proper permits which a simple perusal of youtube would confirm as there are plenty of videos of Americans owning and using them.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:08 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:Most proposals do not include penalties for false reports. They should.
I wonder if any of these magical "red flag" laws have a path for recourse when anti-gunners, or pissed off exes, or whoever else wants to harass a gun owner uses these BS laws to do so.
I bet not.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:26 am to tidalmouse
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Does the Right to Free Speech have it's limits?
Yes.
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Does the Right to Religion have it's limits?
Yes.
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Does the Right to a Fair Trail have it's limits?
What's a "fair trial?"
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:39 am to tidalmouse
The first thing you learn in law school is that no right is absolute.
Yes and has been "settled law" for over 100 years.You cannot for example, yell fire in a crowded theatre.
No such right exists. You have the right to the free exercise of religion and the state will not necessarily favor one religion over another, but you cannot practice said religion if it places individuals in danger.
No such right exists. You have the right to a speedy trial and one made up of a jury of your peers and the right to counsel, But nowhere does it say it has to be fair. In fact when you go up against the state in a trial it is inherently not fair in terms of resources available and the discretion allowed by law to the prosecutor.
Hope this clears things up for you
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Does the Right to Free Speech have it's limits?
Yes and has been "settled law" for over 100 years.You cannot for example, yell fire in a crowded theatre.
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Does the Right to Religion have it's limits?
No such right exists. You have the right to the free exercise of religion and the state will not necessarily favor one religion over another, but you cannot practice said religion if it places individuals in danger.
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Does the Right to a Fair Trail have it's limits?
No such right exists. You have the right to a speedy trial and one made up of a jury of your peers and the right to counsel, But nowhere does it say it has to be fair. In fact when you go up against the state in a trial it is inherently not fair in terms of resources available and the discretion allowed by law to the prosecutor.
Hope this clears things up for you
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:45 am to CptRusty
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Likewise it is perfectly fine to start yelling fire in a crowded theater if there actually is a fire.
Yes, of course, bu you cannot yell it for shits and grins.
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And you can't walk into a theater and start shooting people either, but it's still legal to own firearms
Certainly, but the exercise of your right to keep and bear arms does not extend to exercising said right in a privately owned theater if the owner does not want firearms in their theater.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:46 am to tidalmouse
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Does the Right to Free Speech have it's limits?
Does the Right to Religion have it's limits?
Does the Right to a Fair Trail have it's limits?
etc..
Yes
Yes
Yes
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:51 am to Buckeye Jeaux
What guns, officer?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:09 am to Buckeye Jeaux
The majority of these proposals provide for (at most) temporary ex parte confiscation, subject to notice, judicial hearing, and full Due Process protections before anything becomes “permanent.”
Query for opponents of “Red Flag” firearm legislation:
Do you favor allowing (for example) the violently insane to own and possess firearms? Or do you just think that the above-referenced protections for everyone else are inadequate?
In other words, is it the CONCEPT that you oppose or the IMPLEMENTATION?
Query for opponents of “Red Flag” firearm legislation:
Do you favor allowing (for example) the violently insane to own and possess firearms? Or do you just think that the above-referenced protections for everyone else are inadequate?
In other words, is it the CONCEPT that you oppose or the IMPLEMENTATION?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:38 am to KiwiHead
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Yes, of course, bu you cannot yell it for shits and grins.
it would appear that this group believes in shits and grins much more than that.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:57 am to tidalmouse
>Does the Right to Free Speech have it's limits?
Yes. Thou shalt not criticize Islam. Thou shalt not criticize gays or trannys. Thou shalt not criticize democrats.
>Does the Right to Religion have it's limits?
Thou shalt not worship Jesus.
>Does the Right to a Fair Trail have it's limits?
Thou shalt not prosecute democrats. Thou shalt not convict wealthy ex-football players...
Yes. Thou shalt not criticize Islam. Thou shalt not criticize gays or trannys. Thou shalt not criticize democrats.
>Does the Right to Religion have it's limits?
Thou shalt not worship Jesus.
>Does the Right to a Fair Trail have it's limits?
Thou shalt not prosecute democrats. Thou shalt not convict wealthy ex-football players...
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:58 am to Dick Leverage
I was not saying the government should take people's guns.
I was saying if they tried it would lead to a lot of dead law enforcement officers.
Imagine Waco every third time they tried to remove people's guns.
Gun confiscation is where most people draw the line between law following Patriot and government fighting rebel.
I was saying if they tried it would lead to a lot of dead law enforcement officers.
Imagine Waco every third time they tried to remove people's guns.
Gun confiscation is where most people draw the line between law following Patriot and government fighting rebel.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:01 am to AggieHank86
quote:It wouldn't matter
Most proposals do not include penalties for false reports. They should.
Wouldn't be enforced
Lying for lefty reasons is considered noble
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