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re: Libtards Freaking Out Over Chevron Decision
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Now, courts will have to decide each of these issues/disputes.
If true, that is better than obscurity and letting unelected officials interpret it how they see fit. The whole point is to stick to the law to avoid unequal enforcement.
Also, shouldn't this mean that the laws passed by Congress would need to be more specific to leave very little room for interpretation? I am not in support of leaving it to unelected bureaucrats.
On a state level, you should look at the unequal enforcement doled out by the Louisiana Contractors Board. Favoritism comes into play a lot with both the board and their field enforcers. The hurricanes have forced more specific enforcement in recent years but before that, I knew a few people who got caught building spec homes without a license. A few got away with it because of who they knew while others were financially ruined.
Hell, the chairman of the board pulled some very questionable at best moves to avoid enforcement of having to carry workers comp to remain licensed. That is a state law that you must have comp or your license is placed inactive. The board enforces this law through fines and penalties if you are afoul of it.
‘Respected businessman’ gives comp premiums no respect
Zurik: State official’s companies sanctioned in two separate investigations
Why isn't the state board itself going after him? Anyone else would have lost their license by now at the very least.
It's time to take power away from these types of boards and end the unfair enforcement. I am not sure the Cheron decision will do that but we have to do better than what we have had in place.
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Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:45 am to Carbonman
Totalitarians (mostly Dems, but not all) are ever seeking to use the force of law and gov to rule and control We the People.
They love nothing more than to bend and redefine the meanings and definitions of words to suit their will.
We see by the reactions who generally hate their fellow man and want most of all to project power over others.
They love nothing more than to bend and redefine the meanings and definitions of words to suit their will.
We see by the reactions who generally hate their fellow man and want most of all to project power over others.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:46 am to stout
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If true, that is better than obscurity and letting unelected officials interpret it how they see fit. The whole point is to stick to the law to avoid unequal enforcement.
Like I said, it's an issue of timing and not philosophy.
As an example, the case that was just handed down started with a reg proposed in 2013. So it took 11 years for the final decision. The challenge started in 2020, so 4 years.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:49 am to Carbonman
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As Chevron explained, “judges are not experts” in the kind of difficult policy questions that come before federal agencies.
...and neither are these DEI hire bureaucrats.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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And to clarify these regs, it would be the opposite. The monstrosities will become 10-100x longer at the Congressional level.
Could be, but shouldn't. Bills need to be more focused and stay on topic instead of a bunch of shite tucked in that no one knows about. No way they'll be able to come up with every scenario to put in bills, so may just force the want to just keep it simple.
IMO the "tie goes to the runner" so if it's not in the bill then the American people should get the right to do it, until it's specifically updated/changed.
At some point the people will get tired of these large unread bills, and things will have to change. This ruling could be the good reason to do so.
If we actually have "leaders" that care about their constiency of course...
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:02 am to Tasseo
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Could be, but shouldn't. Bills need to be more focused and stay on topic instead of a bunch of shite tucked in that no one knows about. No way they'll be able to come up with every scenario to put in bills, so may just force the want to just keep it simple.
You're now making the argument for the regulatory authority of the executive
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At some point the people will get tired of these large unread bills, and things will have to change. This ruling could be the good reason to do so.
This ruling will likely do the opposite and require Congress to get into the nitty gritty and define more things, more in-depth, to guide the agencies. That's whyt he laws will have to become so much bigger.
This post was edited on 6/29/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is a major issue with the paradigm shift.
I don't support Chevron, but the courts are going to be overwhelmed with this stuff and all of their dockets will be irreparably delayed.
There is a misunderstanding in the echo chamber that Chevron takes away agency rulemaking authority, when it does no such thing.
Tell me the left is now going to increase their nonsense of using NGOs (funding by the govt) to sue the govt to get through unpopular rules and regs...without telling me
The Trump admin can fix this and take away their tax exempt status when they file that nonsense.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:10 am to Carbonman
So this likely staves off the Dept of Labor's ability to redefine W2 employee vs Independent Contractor (1099). That was a straight Union grab and nothing more. It was to be fashioned as the California failure of a mandate was written.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
The federal court dockets are filled with people FIGHTING AGAINST regulatory over reach.
That will now just be replaced by NGOs trying to still push through the nonsense now that the agencies cant do it. There wont be any "overburden of the courts.
Next step is to remove tax exempt status and fine NGOs for trying to use the courts to legislate, and go after the individuals funding them in civil court as well. Kill lawfare once and for all.
That will now just be replaced by NGOs trying to still push through the nonsense now that the agencies cant do it. There wont be any "overburden of the courts.
Next step is to remove tax exempt status and fine NGOs for trying to use the courts to legislate, and go after the individuals funding them in civil court as well. Kill lawfare once and for all.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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These litigations aren't going to stop at a magistrate's Memorandum Order, or even the supervising district opinion over that MO
It will stop if we take away tax exempt status, and fine the NGOs, and the donors individually in civil court, for trying to use the judicial branch to legislate law.
And after the weaponization and utter circus the current administration has made of the judicial system, dont tell me the aforementioned, the return to sanity, cant be done.
But let me guess, you will then pretend actual legal processes should prevail, once the lawfare axe is in the other hand.....
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:25 am to RealDawg
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Agencies need to spend more time making sure regulations make sense and are clearly defined.
Nono no, let's make the laws vague and complex where only an elite cabal of leftwing "experts" can interpret the meaning. Also, that meaning will change over time to "modernize" the interpretations based on pop culture whims.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:27 am to trinidadtiger
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That will now just be replaced by NGOs trying to still push through the nonsense now that the agencies cant do it. There wont be any "overburden of the courts.
Good. As long as the NGO money is occupied on legal fees they won't be able to spend as much on activism or dumping illegal immigrants inside the country. Tie them up for decades. Empty the bank accounts of every idiot funding these nonsense groups.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:27 am to TrueTiger
Crying over the Chevon case........Ha, ha......... sickos
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:28 am to Carbonman
good, I hope they're all so freaked out they hold a mass suicide event a'la Jonestown
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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TonyMortgage
@mortgagenmore
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I work in mortgage and I think this is huge for us. We would call the CFPB for clarification on what was/wasn’t allowed for advertising and they would refuse to answer, but would give us $10,000+ dollar fines if we guessed it wrong.
Repealing Chevron will do little for this scenario. It may even make the system murkier, because, with Chevron, at least when they gave you the interpretation, that received the Chevron deference. Now, courts will have to decide each of these issues/disputes.
Agencies may be less likely to be proactive and create even more of the issues the original tweets are referencing.
First, that extortion company invented by the native american, CFPB, will be eliminated as soon as Trump is elected.
Second, that scenario would never happen under Chevron because they would be forced to state the regs up front, your example is A PERFECT example of what chevron will now prevent.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Shut up retard
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Why is no one surprised you are here siding with the nameless, faceless, rabidly left wing, unelected administrative state?
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:32 am to Vacherie Saint
Note libertarian SFP sucks the huge dong of the government for another day ending in -y.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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No.
And to clarify these regs, it would be the opposite. The monstrosities will become 10-100x longer at the Congressional level.
Oh horse hockey, the only reason the regs are so cumbersome to begin with are so "policy makers" can justify their jobs. Cut out half the agencies, cut the staff in half of the remaining, and they will figure out how to write a succinct and short policy.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 9:37 am to trinidadtiger
This is a leftist counter argument that is as old as the hills.
After royally fricking something up, they swear it’ll only get worse if their control over said issue is taken away.
Biden did it about 5 times the other night.
After royally fricking something up, they swear it’ll only get worse if their control over said issue is taken away.
Biden did it about 5 times the other night.
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