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re: Libertarianism is a cancer for the right
Posted on 9/15/25 at 7:45 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 9/15/25 at 7:45 am to burger bearcat
If this is what you think you need to read more. Might I suggest “The Road To Serfdom” first. First you need to understand what a classical liberal is.
Also, you can thank the libertarians for getting Trump over the top against Kamala.
Also, you can thank the libertarians for getting Trump over the top against Kamala.
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Posted on 9/15/25 at 7:48 am to METAL
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Also, you can thank the libertarians for getting Trump over the top against Kamala.
No I don’t think so.
Libertarians have voted for and against Trump in all of his elections.
Every group moved right except boomers and millennial women. Thats not just libertarians.
If you have the data to back this claim up I’m willing to change my mind.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 7:51 am
Posted on 9/15/25 at 7:53 am to bostitch
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Maybe if all you follow are the Oliver Chase's of the party. Ron Paul definitely did not approve of open borders
Yeah I guess you need to clarify whether you mean the actual official Libertarian party, or republicans who call themselves libertarians and sometimes hardline on really good issues and other times are just disruptive jackasses.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 7:59 am to dgnx6
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Is Ron Paul in the libertarian party?
Why would that be necessary?
If you're libertarian and want a chance at office, the GOP is (or was with MAGA) the natural path because they were allies
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:00 am to djsdawg
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Diversity isnt their strength
Diversity is how you destroy nation states without firing a single shot
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:07 am to GeauxBurrow312
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fig marriage
President Trump has been pretty hands off with this just like libertarians.
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drug use
He's also been the most "pro-weed" President we've had, signing the 2018 Farm Act that took hemp off the Fed's list of controlled substances.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:09 am to stuntman
Millei also ended the Argentine Housing crisis in 3 months by slashing housing regulations and zoning. Buenos Aires is now one of the most affordable cities in the Americas where it was previously one of the least affordable.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:09 am to VolSquatch
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Yeah I guess you need to clarify whether you mean the actual official Libertarian party, or republicans who call themselves libertarians and sometimes hardline on really good issues and other times are just disruptive jackasses.
Well given the pollution of political discussion on here due to the influence of force partisan polarity and in/out group identification, people demand labels on here. We can simplify the discussion by talking about principles, however.
Do you prefer a state the protects individuals from state power and limits the expansion (and the expected perversion) of state power, or do you prefer a state that supports expansion of state power and erosion of individual liberty? THAT is the discussion.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:15 am to burger bearcat
The actual Republicans are neocons or RINOs and are actively working with the liberals to ruin the country, but the people who "do nothing" are the problem?
There currently zero federally elected officials who are libertarian, and only 2-3 who support libertarian principles. Yea, they are the cancer.
That's definitely a take.
There currently zero federally elected officials who are libertarian, and only 2-3 who support libertarian principles. Yea, they are the cancer.
That's definitely a take.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:17 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The actual Republicans are neocons or RINOs and are actively working with the liberals to ruin the country, but the people who "do nothing" are the problem?
There currently zero federally elected officials who are libertarian, and only 2-3 who support libertarian principles. Yea, they are the cancer.
That's definitely a take.
I lot of these people supported literal socialism proposed by the Trump admin a few weeks ago, and then railed against socialism.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Do you prefer a state the protects individuals from state power and limits the expansion (and the expected perversion) of state power, or do you prefer a state that supports expansion of state power and erosion of individual liberty? THAT is the discussion.
That is the discussion framed in a way to get a desired answer.
Libertarianism largely throws the baby out with the bathwater. A lot of good things would happen if they suddenly gained power, absolutely.
But especially with the rise of AI and robotics, the only thing Libertarians would do long term is trade one government that is too strong for 4 or 5 corporations that are too strong, and we would be flooded with a bunch of low-IQ migrants with nothing to do because they have 0 skills and everything they could have done for work has been automated.
The process has been as slow as Christmas, but there are more and more Republicans being elected that want to reduce the power of the federal government, but doing it without turning the country into a migrant hell hole with totally unrestricted abortion and the smell of weed everywhere you go.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:21 am to Privateer 2007
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nstead they run presidential campaigns, and hurt Republicans.
White women with degrees, likely married to conservative men, hurt (R). And RINOs like John Cornyn finish the job, because even conservative men don't want to vote for them.
Stop being RINOs.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:25 am to burger bearcat
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The entire philosophy is basically let’s do nothing and sit back and watch Communists gain ground on us
Pretty hypocritical considering Republicans will throw away entire elections over the issues of abortion and gay marriage.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:25 am to VolSquatch
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That is the discussion framed in a way to get a desired answer.
No. That's literally the discussion at hand when talking about libertarians, even along the differences in libertarian philosophy.
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But especially with the rise of AI and robotics, the only thing Libertarians would do long term is trade one government that is too strong for 4 or 5 corporations that are too strong,
Literal leftist rhetoric
muh corporations
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and we would be flooded with a bunch of low-IQ migrants with nothing to do because they have 0 skills and everything they could have done for work has been automated.
I sense a recurring theme in the anti-liberty crowd. Slaytime is drooling at the opportunity to further expand this discussion
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:25 am to burger bearcat
Yep. The left gets into power and passes multitudes of horrible policies, creating all sorts of damages to the culture. Libertarians decry this utilization of government, rightly, according to their philosophy.
Then conservatives get into power, and try to pass bills to reverse all those rotten policies, but libertarians balk, and equate conservatives' utilization of government power as being the exact same thing.
End result, the libertarians wind up helping cement the left's awful policies onto the populace, while they still blather against them. It really makes them lousy allies, who are never any help at all in actually defeating the ever-constant leftward lurch.
Plus, yeah, their inclinations towards open-borders, and foreign ownership of domestic lands and businesses. Very unreliable on issues of national sovereignty , and too much of a pie-eyed, academic utopianism in their worldview.
Then conservatives get into power, and try to pass bills to reverse all those rotten policies, but libertarians balk, and equate conservatives' utilization of government power as being the exact same thing.
End result, the libertarians wind up helping cement the left's awful policies onto the populace, while they still blather against them. It really makes them lousy allies, who are never any help at all in actually defeating the ever-constant leftward lurch.
Plus, yeah, their inclinations towards open-borders, and foreign ownership of domestic lands and businesses. Very unreliable on issues of national sovereignty , and too much of a pie-eyed, academic utopianism in their worldview.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:25 am to jrodLSUke
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I'm convinced that everything Massie has done since Trump returned to office is to help the Democrats win.
Libertarians in how they function in reality constantly get in the way of progress in the name of perfection. If there's an opportunity for something to be better, they get in the way because it doesn't live up to their ideals and lets the left shore up their position. This is government, you have to chip away over time.
The refuse to simply be good with something being incrementally better than before and that allows the hard opposition to win their position.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:26 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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The main flaw in libertarian thinking is the idea that everyone in society are fundamentally good and will just go along with libertarian ideas if they’re ever implemented; instead of doing what people always do, which is look out for their own best interests. Libertarian theory is just as utopian as socialism/communism
This is what I’ve noticed when listening to Dave smith. The only difference between him and a radical leftist is economic policy.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:27 am to Aeolian Vocalion
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Then conservatives get into power, and try to pass bills to reverse all those rotten policies, but libertarians balk, and equate conservatives' utilization of government power as being the exact same thing.
When did this happen?
Massie has been BEGGING for this and he gets called a Leftist because the admin is using another path than passing bills. And the admin is defended because the argument becomes "passing bills is too hard" or "cutting government and spending isn't popular enough"
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:27 am to burger bearcat
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I’m convinced the left pushes this on the right,
Yes, no foreign wars and economic responsibility are so leftist.
Where do you people come from? You dont have enough enemies without creating more?
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 8:28 am
Posted on 9/15/25 at 8:28 am to GeauxBurrow312
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We need to primary them out, starting with massie and Rand
If you were to start with Massie and Rand, where would you end?
They are the only two.
There are 635 members of the house and Senate, yet THESE two people are a cancer and stopping your movement from succeeding? Do you realize how insane that sounds?
If .003 percent of the elected officials not agreeing with you stops your progress, you have other issues.
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