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Liberals: what is the cutoff point where tax cuts for the rich isn't "trickle down"?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:15 pm
Is lowering marginal tax rates from 60 to 50% trickle down economics as much as lowering it from 30 to 20%?
Or is any tax cut on the rich, no matter what the status quo rate is, to be considered trifle down economics?
At what rate do you think it becomes justified to consider cutting taxes on he wealthy?
Or is any tax cut on the rich, no matter what the status quo rate is, to be considered trifle down economics?
At what rate do you think it becomes justified to consider cutting taxes on he wealthy?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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what is the cutoff point where tax cuts for the rich isn't "trickle down"?
I don't know.
I do believe the laffer curve is a thing. If the gov't taxed 100% of income, people would stop working. But that curve does inflect at some point, although I am not qualified enough to say where that curve would reach an inflection point.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
here is a better question:
republicans why do you always want to cut taxes on the wealthy? has it ever worked? i thought trickle down economics didn't work. Kansas is a great example of republicans cutting taxes and giant deficits follow.
republicans why do you always want to cut taxes on the wealthy? has it ever worked? i thought trickle down economics didn't work. Kansas is a great example of republicans cutting taxes and giant deficits follow.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Depends on your income.
Fun Fact: In the 50s The richest people in this country were taxed in the 90% range.
I know you conservatives love the 50s.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
When 10 people have more than 80% of the rest of the country combined, an economy cannot work. You can only reinvest so much in "jobs".
People that make under 50K spend 98% of their money.
Billionaires spend about 30%.
So for an economy to continue to flow you have to keep pushing the wealth down and let them spend it. If not it gets stuck at the top. Even Bush knew this, hence the stimulus checks you received.
True, a progressive tax bracket is unfair but it keeps the economy flowing.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:38 pm to hawkeye007
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republicans why do you always want to cut taxes on the wealthy? has it ever worked? i thought trickle down economics didn't work. Kansas is a great example of republicans cutting taxes and giant deficits follow.
It is much better to invest in lobbying for a tax cut than it is to invest in production or workforce development because there us nearly no risk in investing in such lobbying....it is as close to a sure thing as there us in life. Investing in improved processes or workforce development is relatively very risky.
None of the proposed tax cuts that have been put forth since Kennedy promoted the idea of making the wealthier even wealthier and lifting all ships on a rising tide have paid for themselves. It is not even possible to determine their effect on the economy because they have all be coupled to staggering increases in spending so it is impossible to determine where the economic bounce came from if indeed there is one.
Trickle down economics has doe exactly what it was meant to do from day one...make the already incredibly wealthy even wealthier....there has never been any consideration for this country or the middle class when tax cuts were concerned...it has always been about making the rich richer and to hell with debt and deficits and the country......and the aristocracy can depend on their serfs among the right to carry their water for them.....
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:41 pm to LSUcjb318
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When 10 people have more than 80% of the rest of the country combined, an economy cannot work. You can only reinvest so much in "jobs".
People that make under 50K spend 98% of their money.
Billionaires spend about 30%.
So for an economy to continue to flow you have to keep pushing the wealth down and let them spend it. If not it gets stuck at the top. Even Bush knew this, hence the stimulus checks you received.
True, a progressive tax bracket is unfair but it keeps the economy flowing.
Man, I'm not trying to be rude but you simply have no idea how an economy functions.
Under your logic, simply dumping trillions of dollars onto an African country would result in that country becoming wealthy
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:see Zimbabwe
Under your logic, simply dumping trillions of dollars onto an African country would result in that country becoming wealthy
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:45 pm to LSUcjb318
quote:Yup. It's trickle down when someone richer thsn youvgets a tax cuts. But "fairness" when you get a tax cut. Whether iits $30,000 or $3,0000,000 per year.
Depends on your income.
quote:nope. And you're ignorant for believing that.
Fun Fact: In the 50s The richest people in this country were taxed in the 90% range.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:47 pm to germandawg
quote:i hear that's what Apple does. They just lobby for tax cuts instead of making products.
It is much better to invest in lobbying for a tax cut than it is to invest in production or workforce development because there us nearly no risk in investing in such lobbying....i
Question for you... if you have no revenue how do you get a tax cut?
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:12 pm to LSUcjb318
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Fun Fact: In the 50s The richest people in this country were taxed in the 90% range.
Fun Fact: I get a chuckle every time I see this posted
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:18 pm to Hawkeye95
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I do believe the laffer curve is a thing. If the gov't taxed 100% of income, people would stop working.
Kudos for at least understanding the concept. BamaSJW probably denies that it would exist at 100%.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:14 pm to Taxing Authority
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i hear that's what Apple does. They just lobby for tax cuts instead of making products.
Question for you... if you have no revenue how do you get a tax cut?
SO you really think it is possible that someone like Apple does not weigh the advantage of lobbying for a tax cut? If you have no revenue my friend you don't care what tax rates are....100% of nothing is nothing. Companies like Apple already have revenue...its what they do....and theya lso spend a lot of money lobbying for favorable taxation because it is money well spent....
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
getting back to Eisenhower-era levels would be on point
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:33 pm to hawkeye007
You can only cut taxes for the wealthy. Net effective tax rates are very low for 90% of the population.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 2:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I mean, the Laffer curve would certainly have merit at 80, 90, or 100 percent (duh).
However, even the wealthiest people in the country are only paying an effective tax rate of less than 25%. If we increase the top bracket by 4-5%, that's probably only 1-2% difference in effective tax rates for the top earners.
If we were to implement a flat tax, it would have to be 15% or so. That's best case for rich people.
So, really it's a comparison of the effects of the following rates:
15%
25%
~27%
Not a huge difference in trickle down effects.
However, even the wealthiest people in the country are only paying an effective tax rate of less than 25%. If we increase the top bracket by 4-5%, that's probably only 1-2% difference in effective tax rates for the top earners.
If we were to implement a flat tax, it would have to be 15% or so. That's best case for rich people.
So, really it's a comparison of the effects of the following rates:
15%
25%
~27%
Not a huge difference in trickle down effects.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 2:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
what is the cutoff point where tax cuts for the rich isn't "trickle down"?
i'm not a liberal but am a fiscal conservative and a better question to ask is 'why are we cutting taxes while running a deficit?' What sense does it make to greatly increase military spending while simultaneously cutting taxes when we have a huge debt already hanging over our heads? Shouldn't we be cutting spending and raising taxes until we get a grasp on this debt situation. Once we get that under control we can celebrate with a tax cut (if warranted). We need to start paying down this debt not adding to it.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 2:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
To liberals, "the rich" don't pay enough taxes now so any cut is labelled trickle down economics.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 2:18 pm to boxcar willie
quote:
Shouldn't we be cutting spending
Yes
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and raising taxes
no
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