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re: Liberal talking point for slave reparations

Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:05 pm to
A Black Caucus member said they couldn’t support reparations unless they could guarantee no whiteys would benefit.
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
2756 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:08 pm to
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The democrats could come out tomorrow in favor of seizing property from whites and a majority of liberals would support it.



The democrats could come out tomorrow in favor of seizing property from whites and a majority of liberal whites would vote for it.

FIFY
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:13 pm to
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And what about the white folks today who had an ancestor that was a black slave? Do the black folks with the white slave owner ancestor have to pay them?


If you go back the 5 or 6 generations ago to the 1850's everybody has 32 or 64 direct ancestors.

Probably at least a quarter of white people whose families have been here that long have a former slave in there somewhere.

These idiots would never be able to administer such a boondoggle effectively so they will be racist and base it on what you look like.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:15 pm to
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Slavery is what made America successful so you benefited even if your family didn't own slaves.

So if slavery is what made nations successful then why isn't Africa a huge success?

You missed the more obvious point. If slavery is what made America a success then current blacks are benefiting from that same success. Therefore they've already received reparations
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:17 pm to
And beyond the problem of white people being eligible for the reparations what about black people who are descended from slave traders and not from slaves? Or at least descended from both? I mean it ain't like we sent armies to Africa to capture black people
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:17 pm to
Slavery existed before the United States and exist today. I'm not a fan of it but it happened, to believe people should get paid for what happened 100's of year ago is insane. Should Jewish people get paid by Germany, should Scottish people get paid by England, etc?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:56 pm to
I don't think there should be reparations for slavery but we should give it a look for jim crow, segregation, black wall street, historically racist penal system, and redline housing/school zoning issues. Those are recent travesties and caused real harm because they had the wrong color skin.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19695 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:11 pm to
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Slavery is what made America successful
well that's a pretty historically inaccurate take
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:19 pm to
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bmy



The only fair and realistic way to address previous injustices is to prevent them from happening now.

The moment that we become concerned about historical grievances, all the world will be a victim. That is not desirable, nor is is a suitable way to craft policy.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25342 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:21 pm to
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Does anyone other than me see reparations as a precursor to beginning discussions about land seizures/reallotment?



Like in Zimbabwe?

Keep your eye on South Africa.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 5:22 pm
Posted by dantes69
Boise, Id.
Member since Aug 2011
2022 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:25 pm to
the first slaves in this country were white, 30 years before any blacks. The first slave owner in this country was a black man. Only a very small % of whites in this country ever owned a slave. Black slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks before they ever got to this country'

How would we ever determent which blacks or whites came from slaves? color alone is not enough.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123890 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:29 pm to
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Slavery is what made America successful so you benefited even if your family didn't own slaves.
That argument would be inclusive of descendents of slaves themselves, would it not?

Ultimately, here is the issue. We can not address, repair, or correct the actual lives of slaves. We can address median income differentials between their descendents and those of their countries of origin. We can assess what slavery cost them, and use that differential as premise for a settlement

Reparations to 21st century US blacks, most of whom were never enslaved or personally victimized by Jim Crow, should make up for the generations of monetary differential accounted for had they, and their families been allowed to stay in Africa.

To assess that differential let us examine the three countries serving as predominate origin of African Slaves. They were West Niger, Cameroon, and Ghana.

Niger's average per capita income is $440
Cameroon's per capita GDP is estimated at $1,700.
Ghana's average per capita income is $2,200

In the US, Black Median Household income is $36,651 (2016).

Extrapolating the differential over the last 50yrs, at ~$35K/yr, that is approximately $1,750,000.00 per Black household.

So $1.75million per household?
How much more should the US owe?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:34 pm to
Not really, without slavery, the South would not have thrived. Slaves brought growing methods to the New World, they brought cheap labor, they brought knowledge of growing in warmer environments.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:35 pm to
If that is the case then why not only those impacted by these laws?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:39 pm to
frick that shite

If you are going to do that you have to do it for “white trash” too

Of will we do that solely based on how someone looks too?

How is a black kid whose daddy was tokened into Harvard “disadvantaged” compared to a white kid living in a trailer park?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123890 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:42 pm to
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Not really, without slavery, the South would not have thrived.
Not remotely true. Other than advantage of growing season, prior to colonization there was no predilection driving the south to agriculture and the north to industry. Slaves and profit exacerbated the southern growing season differential though. But to presuppose the US would not have eventually formed and/or the South would not have thrived sans slaves is silly.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:42 pm to
America was successful in spite of slavery. It held us back.
Posted by Rex Feral
Athens
Member since Jan 2014
11310 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:53 pm to
Do we get to charge them for all the problems they have caused us?
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
36179 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:53 pm to
What about the black people that had slaves?
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12185 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 6:29 pm to
And there were thousands.
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