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re: Liberal talking point for slave reparations
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:05 pm to Zap Rowsdower
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:05 pm to Zap Rowsdower
A Black Caucus member said they couldn’t support reparations unless they could guarantee no whiteys would benefit.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:08 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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The democrats could come out tomorrow in favor of seizing property from whites and a majority of liberals would support it.
The democrats could come out tomorrow in favor of seizing property from whites and a majority of liberal whites would vote for it.
FIFY
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:13 pm to Zap Rowsdower
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And what about the white folks today who had an ancestor that was a black slave? Do the black folks with the white slave owner ancestor have to pay them?
If you go back the 5 or 6 generations ago to the 1850's everybody has 32 or 64 direct ancestors.
Probably at least a quarter of white people whose families have been here that long have a former slave in there somewhere.
These idiots would never be able to administer such a boondoggle effectively so they will be racist and base it on what you look like.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:15 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Slavery is what made America successful so you benefited even if your family didn't own slaves.
So if slavery is what made nations successful then why isn't Africa a huge success?
You missed the more obvious point. If slavery is what made America a success then current blacks are benefiting from that same success. Therefore they've already received reparations
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:17 pm to gthog61
And beyond the problem of white people being eligible for the reparations what about black people who are descended from slave traders and not from slaves? Or at least descended from both? I mean it ain't like we sent armies to Africa to capture black people
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:17 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Slavery existed before the United States and exist today. I'm not a fan of it but it happened, to believe people should get paid for what happened 100's of year ago is insane. Should Jewish people get paid by Germany, should Scottish people get paid by England, etc?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:56 pm to thebigmuffaletta
I don't think there should be reparations for slavery but we should give it a look for jim crow, segregation, black wall street, historically racist penal system, and redline housing/school zoning issues. Those are recent travesties and caused real harm because they had the wrong color skin.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:11 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:well that's a pretty historically inaccurate take
Slavery is what made America successful
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:19 pm to bmy
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bmy
The only fair and realistic way to address previous injustices is to prevent them from happening now.
The moment that we become concerned about historical grievances, all the world will be a victim. That is not desirable, nor is is a suitable way to craft policy.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:21 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Does anyone other than me see reparations as a precursor to beginning discussions about land seizures/reallotment?
Like in Zimbabwe?
Keep your eye on South Africa.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:25 pm to Antonio Moss
the first slaves in this country were white, 30 years before any blacks. The first slave owner in this country was a black man. Only a very small % of whites in this country ever owned a slave. Black slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks before they ever got to this country'
How would we ever determent which blacks or whites came from slaves? color alone is not enough.
How would we ever determent which blacks or whites came from slaves? color alone is not enough.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:29 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:That argument would be inclusive of descendents of slaves themselves, would it not?
Slavery is what made America successful so you benefited even if your family didn't own slaves.
Ultimately, here is the issue. We can not address, repair, or correct the actual lives of slaves. We can address median income differentials between their descendents and those of their countries of origin. We can assess what slavery cost them, and use that differential as premise for a settlement
Reparations to 21st century US blacks, most of whom were never enslaved or personally victimized by Jim Crow, should make up for the generations of monetary differential accounted for had they, and their families been allowed to stay in Africa.
To assess that differential let us examine the three countries serving as predominate origin of African Slaves. They were West Niger, Cameroon, and Ghana.
Niger's average per capita income is $440
Cameroon's per capita GDP is estimated at $1,700.
Ghana's average per capita income is $2,200
In the US, Black Median Household income is $36,651 (2016).
Extrapolating the differential over the last 50yrs, at ~$35K/yr, that is approximately $1,750,000.00 per Black household.
So $1.75million per household?
How much more should the US owe?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:34 pm to narddogg81
Not really, without slavery, the South would not have thrived. Slaves brought growing methods to the New World, they brought cheap labor, they brought knowledge of growing in warmer environments.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:35 pm to bmy
If that is the case then why not only those impacted by these laws?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:39 pm to bmy
frick that shite
If you are going to do that you have to do it for “white trash” too
Of will we do that solely based on how someone looks too?
How is a black kid whose daddy was tokened into Harvard “disadvantaged” compared to a white kid living in a trailer park?
If you are going to do that you have to do it for “white trash” too
Of will we do that solely based on how someone looks too?
How is a black kid whose daddy was tokened into Harvard “disadvantaged” compared to a white kid living in a trailer park?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:42 pm to tduecen
quote:Not remotely true. Other than advantage of growing season, prior to colonization there was no predilection driving the south to agriculture and the north to industry. Slaves and profit exacerbated the southern growing season differential though. But to presuppose the US would not have eventually formed and/or the South would not have thrived sans slaves is silly.
Not really, without slavery, the South would not have thrived.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:42 pm to thebigmuffaletta
America was successful in spite of slavery. It held us back.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:53 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Do we get to charge them for all the problems they have caused us?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:53 pm to thebigmuffaletta
What about the black people that had slaves?
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