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re: Let's talk the Federal Reserve a little further

Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by LazloHollyfeld
Steam Tunnel at UNC-G
Member since Apr 2009
2036 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:50 pm to
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Be specific. What does an "audit of the Fed" mean to you


An unlimited audit. I frankly don't care if its audited. I just find it very interesting a private entity with absolute control over our country's monetary policy conveniently has statutory protection from any independent review of certain of its activities.

I would love to own a company that when Uncle Sam came knocking to look at its books and operation, I could say you can only look at this, and don't look at this - but it's cool cause we promise we are not doing anything shady over here.

Russian - i know you are in the financial industry- if you ever run across a company like this let me know - may want to invest in it.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:54 pm to
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why DRIVE US into a recession?

Ask Paul Volcker. He's probably the one person most responsible for the Reagan Recovery.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63420 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:56 pm to
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You expect me to know the ownership structure of every one of those organizations?
Holy shite, was that the answer?
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or what its mission actually is.
to guide humanity's path for eternity, of course.

an eternity










of love
Posted by DreauxB2015
Member since Nov 2015
7912 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:58 pm to
This has everything to do with Trump . The Fed is trying to crash the economy prior to 2020 and blame it on Trump . Orange man bad . His kind must never be allowed to run again . It wont work though .
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 5:06 pm to
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Holy shite, was that the answer?

Yes, and a valid answer. Did you see the list? Some of them I recognized as being publically traded, as well as being in my portfolio.

So I, at least, am a part owner of the member banks making up the Fed. So if you have any requests for Federal Reserve activities, just shoot me an e-mail, and I'll see that your concerns are addressed:

GetBent@aol.com


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to guide humanity's path for eternity

You obviously haven't been paying attention, it's to maximize employment and keep inflation near 2%.

In order to stimulate the economy during a recession, the Fed lowers its rate. If the rate is 0%, there's not much room for lowering until you're literally paying people to borrow money. In order to build a cushion, the Fed will raise the rate during strong periods of the economy so that when they need to, they can lower it again.

You titty babies are too addicted to cheap money. 6% is a reasonably low rate for a 30 year fixed mortgage. People today are panicking as rates are still even below 5%.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 5:29 pm to
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This has everything to do with Trump . The Fed is trying to crash the economy prior to 2020 and blame it on Trump .
Why would they want to do that? I’m sure most of them have a great deal of their wealth in things that would suffer as a result, especially enough of them to prevent such a ridiculous decision.

Besides, Trump got rid of the Fed Chair who was raising rates more slowly and the current chair is his pick. So is this just another example of Trump bearing no responsibility for this personnel decisions, especially one where he got rid of the person in the position even though he didn’t need to?
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29121 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 5:44 pm to
The Feds raised the interest rate to make damn sure that Donald Trump would not be reelected in 2020. This was a political rate hike nothing less and nothing more.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63420 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 5:48 pm to
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You titty babies are too addicted to cheap money. 6% is a reasonably low rate for a 30 year fixed mortgage. People today are panicking as rates are still even below 5%.





Can't suck too much blood too fast, though. Might kill the host. Yeah, I get it. Thanks.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:22 pm to
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Can't suck too much blood too fast, though. Might kill the host. Yeah, I get it. Thanks.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear a Communist wrote that.

No value judgement, just making an observation.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54009 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:35 pm to
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Why would they want to do that? I’m sure most of them have a great deal of their wealth in things that would suffer as a result, especially enough of them to prevent such a ridiculous decision. Besides, Trump got rid of the Fed Chair who was raising rates more slowly and the current chair is his pick. So is this just another example of Trump bearing no responsibility for this personnel decisions, especially one where he got rid of the person in the position even though he didn’t need to?


That’s some funny shite ^^^^ right there. If you have the levers of the Monetary Machine you already have an idea where not to have your money when monetary policy is being adjusted

For example, during the 2008/2009 financial crisis do you think the fricks who had an inside track to the Fed’s monetary policy on steroids didn’t have the advantage of jumping out of fixed income investments and piling into equities?

Now we have the reverse scenario this past year with rising interest rates and the same people have been dumping equities and moving to treasuries, cash, and short term bonds.

It’s not that John Q Public can’t play the game too but the insiders are first to feed at the Fed Money trough.
Posted by Man4others
Member since Aug 2017
2469 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:39 pm to
The Federal reserve wants to curtail hiring, slow down wages growth and hurt the stock market. They are literally trying to screw lower and middle class. The rich are already wealthy
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19434 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:44 pm to
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Who owns the Fed?


Needs to be audited so we can find out...
Posted by BigAppleBucky
New York
Member since Jan 2014
1807 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:47 pm to
Historically, interest rates are still low. I remember the early 1980's when the FF overnight rate could go to 30%, or more on occasion and the thirty year bond rate was 14%.

The fed funds rate just went up to 2.2%. That's still low compared to most of the 1960 to present chart linked below. Same for the prime and 90 day LIBOR rates.

FF Rates

Prime rate history

90 day LIBOR

If the Fed doesn't raise rates now, then when the next recession comes they won't have any ammo to work with to offset it. That's probably the biggest single reason for the raise.
Posted by BigAppleBucky
New York
Member since Jan 2014
1807 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:56 pm to
Actually the Fed has an internal audit department. Got a job offer from them, but it seemed so stodgy I went with a start up bank instead.

The Fed actually earns a lot. They pay almost nothing for the deposits they take and they own a pretty large portfolio of treasuries. Huge, risk free, spread. The Fed delivered $80.2 billion in profits to the US Treasury in 2017.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133724 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:04 pm to
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BTW, who does own the Fed? Were you ever going to tell us or were you trolling for some joo love?
I already posted a link which listed all of the Fed’s member institutions, i.e., its shareholders, as of 2015. Did you miss that in your haste to put on your tin foil hat?
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63420 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:30 pm to
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If I didn't know better, I'd swear a Communist wrote that.

Please. No one suckles the host like communists, or "Communists," as you've chosen to honor them.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100830 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:32 pm to
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Who owns the Fed?



Jews
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10461 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:49 pm to
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- KPMG LLP


Thankfully, KPMG can be fully trusted when they perform audits.

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In 2003, KPMG agreed to pay $125 million and $75 million to settle lawsuits stemming from the firm's audits of Rite Aid and Oxford Health Plans Inc., respectively.[45]

In 2004, KPMG agreed to pay $115 million to settle lawsuits stemming from the collapse of software company Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products NV.[46][47]

In 2006, Fannie Mae sued KPMG for malpractice for approving years of erroneous financial statements.[48]

In February 2007, KPMG Germany was investigated for ignoring questionable payments in the Siemens bribery case.[49] In November 2008, the Siemens Supervisory Board recommended changing auditors from KPMG to Ernst & Young.[50]

In March 2008, KPMG was accused of enabling "improper and imprudent practices" at New Century Financial, a failed mortgage company,[51] and KPMG agreed to pay $80 million to settle suits from Xerox shareholders over manipulated earnings reports.[52]


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In 2017, KPMG terminated five partners in its audit practice, including the head of its audit practice in the US, after an investigation of advanced confidential knowledge of planned audit inspections by its Public Company Accounting Oversight Board.[65][66] This followed criticism about KPMG's failure to uncover illegal sales practices at Wells Fargo or potential corruption at FIFA, the governing international body of soccer.[66] It was reported in 2017 that KPMG had the highest number of deficiencies, among the Big Four, cited by its regulator in the previous two years.[67]


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On 13 February 2018, the 'Big 4' accountancy firms, including KPMG, were described by MP Frank Field as "feasting on what was soon to become a carcass" after collecting fees of £72m for Carillion work during the years leading up to its collapse.[79] KPMG was singled out for particular criticism for signing off Carillion's last accounts before a profit warning in July 2017


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Rachel Reeves, chair of the business select committee, said: Auditing is a multi-million-pound business for the Big Four. On this morning's evidence from KPMG and Deloitte, these audits appear to be a colossal waste of time and money, fit only to provide false assurance to investors, workers and the public. [...] Carillion staff and investors could see the problems at the company but those responsible - auditors, regulators, and, ultimately, the directors – did nothing to stop Carillion being driven off a cliff.[81]


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KPMG audited Carillion for 19 years, pocketing £29 million in the process. Not once during that time did they qualify their audit opinion on the financial statements, instead signing off the figures put in front of them by the company's directors.


KPMG is part of the "Big Four", formerly the "Big Five". It is well known what happened to Arthur Andersen.
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16874 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:04 pm to
Wasn't this rate hike already expected and baked into the market? Then why did the market move down on the news?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54009 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:09 pm to
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Wasn't this rate hike already expected and baked into the market? Then why did the market move down on the news?


Powell wouldn’t come right out and say it but he was giving off the impression that Fed policy enacted during the financial crisis may have created economic cross currents..., translation, artificially inflated equities.

One way to correct over inflated equities is to raise interest rates. A shite load of retirees will gladly take a 3-4% annual return with little risk and that money is flowing out of equities at an ever increasing rate.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 8:13 pm
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